tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post1177248518906713833..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: The Fallacy of Veteran WorshipAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61333181006977153932014-11-24T20:25:11.338+01:002014-11-24T20:25:11.338+01:00Nope, not perfect. But was in a lot better state b...Nope, not perfect. But was in a lot better state before ass hole in chief appointed "czars" were put into place. <br /><br />Call it hate if you want, but it is still the truth. Your hate comment just shows you can't handle the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77757319610339789562014-11-21T16:55:04.605+01:002014-11-21T16:55:04.605+01:00"Obamas appointees that have wrecked the vete..."Obamas appointees that have wrecked the veterans administration "<br />Pure inexplicable Obama Hate. Do you really think the VA was a smooth-working machine under Bush and Clinton?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77580730087381639952014-11-19T05:06:04.312+01:002014-11-19T05:06:04.312+01:00This I totally agree with, 100%. I also want to ma...This I totally agree with, 100%. I also want to make clear that I don't "worship" any veteran, but I do honor those who serve honorably and give those who go above and beyond extra respect for their actions. All this doesn't rise to the level of "worship" as they are not gods but they are mostly, not all, exceptional people even tho the government misuses them for its own misguided reasons. Or at least misguided in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45338480511271264012014-11-18T19:01:55.155+01:002014-11-18T19:01:55.155+01:00"but the respect for the service they volunte..."but the respect for the service they volunteered for as well."<br /><br />I have no respect for the way America has sometimes used its military force. I have respect for the soldier who does his job regardless of "service" he is asked to perform. They are not the same. Just as soldiers who served in Iraq say American forces should not have been there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21367300020469755812014-11-17T20:21:40.059+01:002014-11-17T20:21:40.059+01:00Your position is as flawed as it can get, treating...Your position is as flawed as it can get, treating them right is not limited to physical or mental needs, but the respect for the service they volunteered for as well. <br /><br />And Obamas appointees that have wrecked the veterans administration with fraud and disservice to the veterans is appalling. Even Obama himself had to admit that the administration had to have even better oversight by replacing one or more of his appointees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-64182573026002533802014-11-16T16:30:02.797+01:002014-11-16T16:30:02.797+01:00My position about not revering all veterans as her...My position about not revering all veterans as heroes does not exclude the possibility of treating them right when they return.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23078803357105065592014-11-16T16:29:00.854+01:002014-11-16T16:29:00.854+01:00Nice dodge, Kurt. The point was clear. The remar...Nice dodge, Kurt. The point was clear. The remark about your so-called honesty was an aside.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83734977210069079562014-11-15T18:37:18.084+01:002014-11-15T18:37:18.084+01:00Hey dip, the heroes themselves say they don't ...Hey dip, the heroes themselves say they don't deserve the honor, but they do deserve whatever we can do for them. But Republicans keep cutting the funds for Veterans. Bush cut Veterans funding in the middle of his Iraq war, but you idiots like to forget about those details. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58576608624081908662014-11-14T19:52:54.660+01:002014-11-14T19:52:54.660+01:00Make up your mind Mike. Its a shame that the Veter...Make up your mind Mike. Its a shame that the Veteran doesn't get what they need in terms of mental and/or medical attention from the battles they were in but at the same time these Veterans don't deserve the honor for having fought in those battles. <br /><br />They either deserve both or none, which is it Mike?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88267386153335457062014-11-14T13:26:52.610+01:002014-11-14T13:26:52.610+01:00You were just being scrupulously honest again, rig...<i>You were just being scrupulously honest again, right?</i><br /><br />Wrong. My being "honest <i>again</i>" implies that at some point previously I had <i>ceased</i> being honest. That, of course, would be a lie. Therefore, I must correct you, and alter your statement to, "[I was] just being scrupulously honest <i>still</i>."<br /><br />My scrupulous honesty is a continuing saga, as is your abject, utter failure to find a <i>single</i> exception to that iron rule, despite the vast number of hilariously inept attempts on your part.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50079663871493019762014-11-14T08:34:19.521+01:002014-11-14T08:34:19.521+01:00Kurt, Anonymous said the claim is that cops "...Kurt, Anonymous said the claim is that cops "are the only ones to be trusted with guns."<br /><br />"With guns," not limited to certain weapons. But you knew that, right? You were just being scrupulously honest again, right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57007465748504650242014-11-14T02:01:34.866+01:002014-11-14T02:01:34.866+01:00It's just that I find it hard to imagine that ...<i>It's just that I find it hard to imagine that in other countries they could put as much emphasis on veteran worship as we do.</i><br /><br />Well now you're talking about a matter of degrees, which doesn't address my initial point that reverence for service members and law enforcement officers is hardly unique to the U.S. Is the <i>degree</i> of reverence greater here than elsewhere? Sure--I have little doubt that it is, in at least <i>some</i> "elsewheres." Are there societies where such reverence is <i>greater</i> than in the U.S.? Certainly wouldn't surprise me.<br /><br />Besides, Mikeb, when you bring up <i>Fox News</i> as "proof" of excessive "veteran worship" in the U.S., is that not a tacit claim that <i>Fox</i> speaks with the voice of the American people? <i>That</i> would seem an odd position for you to take.<br /><br />Nor can anyone seriously argue that there is a long, unbroken history of American reverence for service members. If you dispute that, ask a Vietnam veteran--many of whom were conscripted into that horror--who returned only to be called "Baby killer!" by shrieking, hate-filled "peace advocates."<br /><br />As for reverence for law enforcement? Even now, that's a <i>long</i>--ass way from universal.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6515685725682118792014-11-13T21:51:14.554+01:002014-11-13T21:51:14.554+01:00A person is not a hero simply because they wear a ...A person is not a hero simply because they wear a uniform. Most heroes (Like Medal of Honor recipients) would be the last ones to call themselves heroes.<br />We are not (recent reports of the Veterans Adm.) giving our Veterans what they need, and that is a shame on the US and its people who won't pay for their needs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21272991365712098602014-11-13T16:57:13.259+01:002014-11-13T16:57:13.259+01:00. . . as we do.
Who the hell is "we"?<i> . . . as we do. </i><br /><br />Who the hell is "<i>we</i>"?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11376008756470880432014-11-13T16:55:57.078+01:002014-11-13T16:55:57.078+01:00I don't know about "around here," bu...I don't know about "around here," but such "gun control" groups as the Brady Campaign, CSGV, etc., are <i>incessantly</i> telling us what firearms should <i>only</i> be in the hands of law enforcement and the military, and in what places the <i>only</i> people with guns should be cops<br /><br />Check out various gun laws (either on the books, or proposed), and see how many exempt the military and law enforcement: "assault weapon" bans, "high capacity" magazine bans, .50 caliber rifle bans, concealed carry bans, open carry bans, "smart gun" requirements, etc. That's what David Codrea's "Only Ones" theme is all about.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7392627374195315442014-11-13T16:42:17.194+01:002014-11-13T16:42:17.194+01:00That's another straw-man pro-gun argument. Mo...That's another straw-man pro-gun argument. Most gun control people do not say that, especially around here.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83177637318041105992014-11-13T16:42:09.371+01:002014-11-13T16:42:09.371+01:00Watch an American example of doing this and then t...<i>Watch an American example of doing this and then tell us it's not a uniquely American phenomenon?<br /><br />Sorry, Mike, but that's not how it works--that would be like saying to watch MSNBC and see that socialism is a uniquely American phenomenon--the sample can't tell you that.</i><br /><br /><b>Precisely</b>. Anon successfully made the point I was trying (without nearly as much success) to make.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-89303296913694985732014-11-13T16:41:12.904+01:002014-11-13T16:41:12.904+01:00You're right. It's just that I find it har...You're right. It's just that I find it hard to imagine that in other countries they could put as much emphasis on veteran worship as we do. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30410169776725734872014-11-13T16:01:09.902+01:002014-11-13T16:01:09.902+01:00And yet we constantly hear that these "heros&...And yet we constantly hear that these "heros" are the only ones to be trusted with guns.<br /><br />epic failAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77809229625627277832014-11-13T14:58:55.574+01:002014-11-13T14:58:55.574+01:00Take a few minutes with Fox News sometime and then...<i>Take a few minutes with Fox News sometime and then tell us it's not a uniquely American phenomenon.</i><br /><br />That doesn't make any sense. How does what happens on <i>Fox</i> tell us what <i>doesn't</i> happen in other countries?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14514113520784032132014-11-13T14:57:39.531+01:002014-11-13T14:57:39.531+01:00Watch an American example of doing this and then t...Watch an American example of doing this and then tell us it's not a uniquely American phenomenon?<br /><br />Sorry, Mike, but that's not how it works--that would be like saying to watch MSNBC and see that socialism is a uniquely American phenomenon--the sample can't tell you that.<br /><br />You find people with strong support for their country's armed forces and police and who call them heroes in any country--could be heard all over Britain a few years back when their soldiers had been taken prisoner by the Iranians.<br /><br />As for the "preferrably a white man" part, that's just more liberal projection of their own racism onto conservatives. Meanwhile, conservatives are fans of and electing all sorts of people based on character and values rather than caring what their melanin content is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-31104664792890618912014-11-13T11:59:29.619+01:002014-11-13T11:59:29.619+01:00Take a few minutes with Fox News sometime and then...Take a few minutes with Fox News sometime and then tell us it's not a uniquely American phenomenon.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74867263817955730582014-11-13T00:35:07.247+01:002014-11-13T00:35:07.247+01:00I can't really find a lot to object to here. ...I can't really find a lot to object to here. Certainly there are monsters, along with the heroes, wearing the uniforms of the U.S. Armed forces and law enforcement agencies across the country. The "preferably a white man" is silly, and I don't see this as being as much a uniquely American phenomenon as the author seems to imply, but my expectations for <i>Salon</i> are low enough that I can't really claim to be disappointed.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70282094572097006672014-11-12T20:38:56.416+01:002014-11-12T20:38:56.416+01:00Well said Mike. Well said Mike. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com