tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post2350067911323185487..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: NSSF Gets Government Grant - CSGV Doesn't Like ItAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88066825980047362722015-09-25T18:17:23.473+02:002015-09-25T18:17:23.473+02:00Kurt, you're gotcha file is indeed impressive....<i>Kurt, you're gotcha file is indeed impressive.</i><br /><br />You just love to dismiss your inconsistencies and self-contradictions as "gotchas," as if it's <i>my</i> fault that you're perfectly comfortable arguing two mutually exclusive positions, depending on what's convenient for you at the time.<br /><br />I don't think you can find a single position I've taken in the gun debate, that hasn't also been advocated by others. At the same time, you admit that you know of <i>no one</i> else who has been willing to go to the extreme of speaking in favor of one of your most cherished infringements on that which <b>shall not be infringed</b>.<br /><br />But <i>I'm</i> the "fanatic"? Adjust the meds, Mikeb--what you've got going on ain't workin'.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42762213074619288052015-09-25T09:10:08.709+02:002015-09-25T09:10:08.709+02:00Kurt, you're gotcha file is indeed impressive....Kurt, you're gotcha file is indeed impressive. Nevertheless, I maintain that your fanaticism is far greater than mine in opposite directions, obviously.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74235915893614342312015-09-25T09:07:56.479+02:002015-09-25T09:07:56.479+02:00That's double-talking bullshit. We're tal...That's double-talking bullshit. We're talking about irresponsible assholes who leave their guns unsecured in cars and homes making it easy for kids to find them and thieves to steal them. That's the "freedom" we're talking about.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-3805989928631791652015-09-24T17:49:57.572+02:002015-09-24T17:49:57.572+02:00You mean the freedom to not be arrested because so...You mean the freedom to not be arrested because someone like you (who knows nothing about guns, and doesn't promote/teach safe practices) decided the criteria for "safe-storage" as a blanket application for all homes? Yeah, the freedom to not be imprisoned is precious. I'm part if the people who are making a difference, as we can see in the reduction of gun accidents. You just want to lock people up.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56440194883016771972015-09-24T17:10:06.923+02:002015-09-24T17:10:06.923+02:00I don't know whether or not you have ever clai...I don't know whether or not you have ever claimed to <i>not</i> be alone in demanding the despotic atrocity of your insane version of "safe storage" laws, but I <i>do</i> remember <a href="http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2013/05/lawrence-odonnell-on-musket-ad.html?showComment=1369812458241#c8093413290199473712" rel="nofollow">you claiming</a> to be quite moderate in your "gun control" advocacy:<br /><br /><i>Picture a clock. The 9 is extreme gun control, bans on everything, no civilian guns at all. The 3 is total "shall not be infringed," no restrictions at all. I'm at 11, you and Greg are at 2 and Kurt is at 3.</i><br /><br />So, tell me, Mikeb, does being the <i>the <b>only</b> organism in the known universe</i> demanding such an extreme requirement seem to you to be consistent with the kind of moderation you claim to bring to the debate?<br /><br />If so, I think you might be alone in the universe on that, too.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72182922408006909152015-09-24T14:14:07.928+02:002015-09-24T14:14:07.928+02:00Huh? You're becoming that tedious bore again t...Huh? You're becoming that tedious bore again that you often turn into.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33396776131523438772015-09-24T14:13:05.238+02:002015-09-24T14:13:05.238+02:00"and doesn't actually interfere with our ..."and doesn't actually interfere with our freedoms (which are indeed precious)"<br /><br />That would be your precious freedom to leave your guns unsecured, right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35189484038063243162015-09-23T17:12:02.286+02:002015-09-23T17:12:02.286+02:00It was the other way around. When I said no one i...It was the other way around. When I said no one is mandating self-storage as you like it anywhere in the country, you didn't believe me.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61146055578900726952015-09-23T17:10:25.200+02:002015-09-23T17:10:25.200+02:00I have no doubt you feel adding to the criminal co...I have no doubt you feel adding to the criminal code around gun ownership would make a difference. Can you at least admit that a "major difference" has been made without it, and give credit where credit is due?<br /><br />The fact remains that you <i>haven't</i> been able to pass these laws you want, but promoting safe handling is something that works and has an immediate impact now, and doesn't actually interfere with our freedoms (which are indeed precious). CSGV spends all their time trying to get laws passed, and they fail, so they quite literally have done nothing to help with gun safety.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42293371881450291982015-09-22T17:38:29.755+02:002015-09-22T17:38:29.755+02:00"All these things happened without passing gu..."All these things happened without passing gun control laws to that affect."<br /><br />Of course you're satisfied with this. I'm not. I think the one or two kids who are killed every single day is unacceptable. I think with some simple laws about safe storage, ones which would not interfere with your precious freedom, would make a major difference.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-46697664321892799192015-09-21T22:18:22.000+02:002015-09-21T22:18:22.000+02:00No SS, I'm not unhappy, just calling a liar, a...No SS, I'm not unhappy, just calling a liar, a liar. The figures don't support your claim that the NRA is deeply involved in safety. Next lie SS.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47842330199488552912015-09-21T16:37:34.640+02:002015-09-21T16:37:34.640+02:00What accounts for these incredible drops in accide...<i>What accounts for these incredible drops in accidental gun deaths, in your opinions?</i><br /><br />There are probably a number of factors at work here, but the ever-increasing responsibility and savviness of gun owners in general would have to be a major part of it, I would certainly think.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-44880554612597544002015-09-21T15:30:30.317+02:002015-09-21T15:30:30.317+02:00As said above, the NRA and the NSSF have done a lo...As said above, the NRA and the NSSF have done a lot of work for gun safety- teaching classes, distributing information, promoting a safety first culture, etc. There is a grass-roots safety movement as well. How many times have you heard your commentators preach safety? Just yesterday, one of my Facebook friends posted a picture of her first range trip, and she did the obligatory "Charlie's Angels" pose with her finger on the trigger. In the comments, several people jumped in with "keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot." She answered with "it wasn't loaded", and then of course comes the "always treat a gun like it's loaded", and offers to take her out shooting with stresses on safety. It's pretty pervasive that people can't get away with a light-hearted picture with guns anymore. <br /><br />Another reason, is the the industry has made drop safety advances despite your claims to the contrary. All these things happened without passing gun control laws to that affect. Maybe that's why gun control people seem to hate this inconvenient fact. This <b>should</b> be an area of common ground, but heaven forbid you guys draw any attention to the fact that the culture can make great strides in safety <b>without</b> government intervention, or that abstinence isn't the only true form of gun safety.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67731832957983337382015-09-21T08:09:31.087+02:002015-09-21T08:09:31.087+02:00TS, are yiou quite sure that I've doubted that...TS, are yiou quite sure that I've doubted that no one is calling for mandatory safe storage as I describe it? Really?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10757202951691207472015-09-21T08:07:46.697+02:002015-09-21T08:07:46.697+02:00What accounts for these incredible drops in accide...What accounts for these incredible drops in accidental gun deaths, in your opinions?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32680742264425101762015-09-21T07:26:51.787+02:002015-09-21T07:26:51.787+02:00"And I showed you it's such a small perce..."And I showed you it's such a small percentage of their budget, as to be dishonest to claim it is NRA's priority, so on to your next dishonest claim........"<br /><br /> So it seems you're unhappy that the NRA is so efficient? Not only are they successful at getting pro gun legislation passed and anti gun legislation blocked, but they also conduct safety training that has resulted in a major reduction in accidental gun deaths. <br /> While the gun control lobby doesn't seem to be terribly successful doing either. And the only complaint you can come up with is how they allocate their money in their successful ventures. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40564180164645640342015-09-21T05:26:41.897+02:002015-09-21T05:26:41.897+02:00Well Mike, I don't know what the peak was in r...Well Mike, I don't know what the peak was in regards to unintentional gun deaths, but the CDC says that between 1981 and 2013, they dropped from 1,871 to 505. A sizable reduction. <br /> I think that comes to about a 75% drop with my data. Unless my math is wrong. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14942127650058975402015-09-20T19:45:31.210+02:002015-09-20T19:45:31.210+02:00You've doubted me when I have said that before...You've doubted me when I have said that before. I'm glad you now agree with me for the next 15 minutes until you forget.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87054650888259399742015-09-20T19:43:55.270+02:002015-09-20T19:43:55.270+02:00Mike, if you had a decent memory, I wouldn't h...Mike, if you had a decent memory, I wouldn't have to keep defending this every time we talk about it:<br /><br />http://www.nssf.org/pdf/research/iir_injurystatistics2013.pdf<br /><br />Accidental firearm deaths were at 3,200 in 1930, and 600 now with 2.5x the population. That's a reduction of 93%.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7511367701979613022015-09-20T17:56:36.810+02:002015-09-20T17:56:36.810+02:00I'm the only one that I know of calling for th...<i>I'm the only one that I know of calling for that. So?</i><br /><br />One voice advocating tyrannical evil is infinitely too many, you victim-blaming savage.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20053844942295529912015-09-20T17:42:27.089+02:002015-09-20T17:42:27.089+02:00I'm the only one that I know of calling for th...I'm the only one that I know of calling for that. So?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-89349953312589947782015-09-20T17:41:44.517+02:002015-09-20T17:41:44.517+02:00"Accidental gun deaths are down over 90% from..."Accidental gun deaths are down over 90% from their peak"<br /><br />TS, your carefully worded claims are ridiculous. I'm sure you can defend this one though.<br /><br />"This blog proves those programs are not working, which means your guys are doing a horrible job."<br /><br />Anonymous is absolutely right. Why isn't the US the safest country on the planet with all you good guys with all your guns?<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-82476889195883405972015-09-20T17:01:04.922+02:002015-09-20T17:01:04.922+02:00And I showed you it's such a small percentage ...And I showed you it's such a small percentage of their budget, as to be dishonest to claim it is NRA's priority, so on to your next dishonest claim........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72322717528785947732015-09-19T21:31:52.963+02:002015-09-19T21:31:52.963+02:00"The NRA could get almost anything passed, bu..."The NRA could get almost anything passed, but they choose to push open/concealed carry, not safety classes, safe storage, or any other kind of safety. "<br /><br /> Well Anon, I recently showed you that the NRA trains about 750,000 people per year. As I mentioned before, the NRA does training and political advocacy. The safe storage project is run by the National Shooting Sports Foundation. So how many classes given or gun locks bought by Brady or Everytown? Would that be none?<br /> You seem to have this unreasonable belief that if the NRA isn't doing it, it doesn't count. As you can see, there are many facets to the gun culture and different members of the gun industry help support these programs. <br /> That is one of the advantages that the gun industry has over the gun control lobby. Many groups working towards the same goal in their own way. Not only is it having a direct on gun safety, as you can see in the post below, it also grows the shooting sports.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56302320183591329092015-09-19T20:36:35.195+02:002015-09-19T20:36:35.195+02:00Accidental gun deaths are down over 90% from their...Accidental gun deaths are down over 90% from their peak- an astonishingly huge reduction. Your instance that this blog "proves" it hasn't worked (for some unknown reason) is... shall we say, an example of "delusional thinking".TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.com