tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post2881915893738535188..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: FBI Report on Active Shooter Incidents (not Mass Shootings)Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17936263718547453842014-10-05T16:11:39.198+02:002014-10-05T16:11:39.198+02:00"shall not be infringed magazines."
Yea...<i>"shall not be infringed magazines."</i><br /><br />Yeah--I kinda like that, too. When I start 3-D printing 30-rounders, maybe I'll mark them "SNBI." A few dozen of those would be a neat contribution to Mike Vanderboegh's smuggling campaign, don't you think?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45026806010948339962014-10-05T15:56:08.921+02:002014-10-05T15:56:08.921+02:00How much time do you spend practicing with your se...<i>How much time do you spend practicing with your seat belt or cleaning your fire extinguisher . . . </i><br /><br />Confused here. So now you think responsible gun ownership does <i>not</i> require maintaining proficiency, and keeping the firearm in good working order?<br /><br /><i> . . . arguing about their importance on the internet?</i><br /><br />How many people are trying to heap yet more restrictions on the ownership and use of seat belts and fire extinguishers--to the point, some times, of advocating total bans?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2856468223049192362014-10-05T12:12:21.366+02:002014-10-05T12:12:21.366+02:00"Ever use seat belts, Mikeb? Have your kids u..."Ever use seat belts, Mikeb? Have your kids use them? Why, the car accident in your imagination? What's with the fire extinguisher in the house--got a fire in your imagination?"<br /><br />I don't know about you, but when I put my seat belt on I don't give it another thought. I don't carry a fire extinguisher with me everywhere I go. Comparing those two safety tools to guns is ridiculous. How much time do you spend practicing with your seat belt or cleaning your fire extinguisher or arguing about their importance on the internet?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53008648724614768282014-10-05T09:47:10.269+02:002014-10-05T09:47:10.269+02:00"shall not be infringed magazines." Hah..."shall not be infringed magazines." HahahahahahahaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77237360173216680662014-10-05T00:16:58.229+02:002014-10-05T00:16:58.229+02:00Speaking of Constitutionally protected, shall not ...Speaking of Constitutionally protected, <b>shall not be infringed</b> magazines, it appears that I will soon be able to feed my Vepr shotgun <a href="http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/vepr-12-sgm-tactical-25-round-drum-detail.html" rel="nofollow">more than a mere bite at a time</a>.<br /><br />Ah--to hear the anguished bleating of the bed-wetting cud-chewers who don't like private citizens owning magazines, except those of artificially and illegitimately limited capability.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23595119410304279922014-10-04T20:40:41.103+02:002014-10-04T20:40:41.103+02:00Typical gun loons deny the fact that smaller magaz...Typical gun loons deny the fact that smaller magazine capacity can save lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1954287294594009522014-10-03T16:00:55.593+02:002014-10-03T16:00:55.593+02:00What gunfight is that, Kurt? The one in your imagi...<i>What gunfight is that, Kurt? The one in your imagination?</i><br /><br />Ever use seat belts, Mikeb? Have your kids use them? Why, the car accident in your imagination? What's with the fire extinguisher in the house--got a fire in your imagination?<br /><br />The entire <i>point</i> of preparing for terrible eventualities that you hope never occur is to be able to deal effectively with them if they do. Not because it's likely, but because that if that unlikely eventuality <i>does</i> come about, the consequences of <i>not</i> being prepared are too terrible to contemplate.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41356727564181769262014-10-03T13:20:58.576+02:002014-10-03T13:20:58.576+02:00TS, I never understood your stubborn insistence th...TS, I never understood your stubborn insistence that magazine changes don't matter. Lanza would have had to change 15 times if he's had only 10-rounders. As it was he changed only 5 times. <br /><br />When a guy is pulling the trigger and sending lead down on his targets, any interruption, no matter how brief would be welcome. Am I wrong about that? When firing the next round requires only another trigger pull, that next round is almost guaranteed. But when it requires a magazine change, there's at least a momentary delay plus the chance of fumbling the mag, dropping it, anything could happen, all of which are better than another trigger pull and another round fired.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84093875000619905122014-10-03T13:15:03.540+02:002014-10-03T13:15:03.540+02:00"even if in the chaos of a gunfight," W..."even if in the chaos of a gunfight," What gunfight is that, Kurt? The one in your imagination?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39416777456010618692014-10-02T19:11:53.513+02:002014-10-02T19:11:53.513+02:00Sure. It's easy to realize that you don't ...<i>Sure. It's easy to realize that you don't have a run a gun dry before changing mags. This isn't about being "extremely trained"- it is simply putting in a new magazine before you get to slide lock.</i><br /><br />Back in my younger days, before I outgrew the urge to be "tacticool" in all things, I loaded tracers (yep--they make tracers in .45 ACP) as my second-to-last round, to give myself a signal to change mags right when the first mag has emptied, but before the slide has locked back--even if in the chaos of a gunfight, I lost count of the rounds expended.<br /><br />I don't bother with that kinda thing any more, but it's one easy way to keep your reloads "tactical."<br /><br />Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91997927169123544052014-10-02T17:42:04.578+02:002014-10-02T17:42:04.578+02:00Sure. It's easy to realize that you don't...Sure. It's easy to realize that you don't have a run a gun dry before changing mags. This isn't about being "extremely trained"- it is simply putting in a new magazine before you get to slide lock. If someone is really concerned about that time changing magazines, they could make this slight effort. Now, you could argue that shooters don’t do this too often- and maybe because mag changes <b>are not</b> the big deal you make them out to be. But it is a pretty easy effort that cancels out what you think you’re gaining by putting prohibitions on magazines. And then there’s bringing multiple guns, which I noticed you have nothing to say about.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11368910481973607402014-10-02T13:08:58.644+02:002014-10-02T13:08:58.644+02:00"It doesn't, but it could."
You are..."It doesn't, but it could."<br /><br />You are unbelievable. "It could???" Really? All the spree shooters from here on in COULD be extremely trained and practiced in efficient gun handling including magazine changing. Is that your argument, they could?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75203660217233387842014-09-30T18:17:06.039+02:002014-09-30T18:17:06.039+02:00Mike: "In Tucson, the shooter was stopped dur...Mike: "In Tucson, the shooter was stopped during one."<br /><br />That was not a simple magazine change. That was a jam.<br /><br />MikeB: "It's really annoying that you keep repeating Lanza practiced tactical magazine changes, as if this applies to most of the nuts who do these shooting sprees. It doesn't."<br /><br />It doesn't, but it could. Tactical mag swaps are an easy way to cancel out your idea of limiting magazine sizes for spree shooters. Carrying extra guns is another easy way (something which is done quite often). Plus you way WAY over estimate the value of mag swaps in these situations. You keep pointing back to two incidents which weren’t even mag swaps.<br /><br />Sarge: “I wonder how many of those changes were "tactical" and how many were the result of feeding issues with the rifle.”<br /><br />That could be. Maybe he was having problems with the gun the whole time. Though I think he would have went to one of his backups if he had 5 or 6 feed loading issues with the AR.<br />TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75846973646363983942014-09-30T16:29:25.760+02:002014-09-30T16:29:25.760+02:00"It's really annoying that you keep repea..."It's really annoying that you keep repeating Lanza practiced tactical magazine changes, as if this applies to most of the nuts who do these shooting sprees."<br /><br /> Lanza didn't get brought up till Anon introduced it, though he even got that wrong by thinking it was Columbine. And from what I read from several sources when I made my comment above, I wonder how many of those changes were "tactical" and how many were the result of feeding issues with the rifle. <br /> ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62922443635136506772014-09-30T15:08:39.173+02:002014-09-30T15:08:39.173+02:00In several of the high profile cases, there were r...In several of the high profile cases, there were reports of people escaping during the magazine change. In Tucson, the shooter was stopped during one. <br /><br />It's really annoying that you keep repeating Lanza practiced tactical magazine changes, as if this applies to most of the nuts who do these shooting sprees. It doesn't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39499719818176251342014-09-29T19:19:26.116+02:002014-09-29T19:19:26.116+02:00A normal reload is a considerably shorter time per...A normal reload is a considerably shorter time period than a malfunction. As we know, the Newtown shooter practiced tactical reloads, which meant he wasn’t even empty while reloading (plus he had two backup handguns). People <b>should not</b> leave a place of concealment or cover because the shooting stops for a few seconds. If a person is not in a good place of concealment or cover (often the case), the best tactic is to be running the whole time, as most people escape mass shootings while the shooter is shooting at other people. People <b>do not</b> only escape when the shooting stops.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29999359322750423952014-09-29T19:07:04.131+02:002014-09-29T19:07:04.131+02:00Thanks, Mike.
Yes, the report is not guilty of th...Thanks, Mike.<br /><br />Yes, the report is not guilty of that. Many of the reporters who reported on the report were the guilty party.<br /> TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-54978659920779887582014-09-29T12:51:48.960+02:002014-09-29T12:51:48.960+02:00. . . but will you at least concede my point that ...<i> . . . but will you at least concede my point that the report is not guilty of comparing one thing to a different thing?</i><br /><br />The report? No, the FBI report makes very clear that it's about "active shooter incidents," rather than "mass shootings." It's much of the media coverage that conflates the two. As <i>Reason</i> points out, the <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/09/24/fbi-mass-shootings-are-on-the-rise.html" rel="nofollow"><i>Daily Beast</i> article</a> is the most hilarious in that regard, saying "mass shooting" <i>in <b>every sentence</b></i>, literally. Ah--"progressive" journalism at its finest.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58824991633240215022014-09-29T11:04:03.934+02:002014-09-29T11:04:03.934+02:00This is typical nit picking diversion on your part...This is typical nit picking diversion on your part. It doesn't matter if the mass killer stops shooting momentarily due to the need to change mags or because one of them jams. When the shooting stops people escape.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18023306721670783602014-09-29T11:00:30.354+02:002014-09-29T11:00:30.354+02:00I'll do that right now, but will you at least ...I'll do that right now, but will you at least concede my point that the report is not guilty of comparing one thing to a different thing?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62401747732258435472014-09-28T23:56:18.271+02:002014-09-28T23:56:18.271+02:00Sarge: "This is usually caused by a weapon th...Sarge: "This is usually caused by a weapon that isn't properly lubricated, or not kept clean."<br /><br />Careful, they'll want to ban lube now. <br /><br />They will also ignore all evidence that this wasn't just a simple reload, just as they do for Tucson.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15799272546234409472014-09-28T22:31:10.215+02:002014-09-28T22:31:10.215+02:00I'll never consider giving up my "high ca...I'll never consider giving up my "high capacity" (gun ban zealot-speak for non-reduced capacity) magazines until there are eleven or fewer "gun control" advocates in the world.<br /><br />One might encounter them all at once, after all, and one needs to be properly equipped to deal with them.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15000974449220940382014-09-28T22:07:23.611+02:002014-09-28T22:07:23.611+02:00"SS, there were books and interviews by the a..."SS, there were books and interviews by the actual witnesses and kids who were in the shooting. Get educated."<br /><br /> Well Anon, it does help if both people in the debate are on the same page. You were a bit off on your information. As I said before, it didn't sound like Columbine because you only mentioned one shooter.<br /> I'm assuming you're referring to something like this article regarding Sandy Hook, where there was only one shooter. <br /><br />"As many as a half-dozen first graders may have survived Adam Lanza's deadly shooting spree at Sandy Hook Elementary School because he stopped firing briefly, perhaps either to reload his rifle or because it jammed, according to law enforcement officials familiar with the events."<br /><br />http://articles.courant.com/2012-12-23/news/hc-lanza-gunjam-20121222_1_rifle-school-psychologist-classroom<br /><br />"Based on initial statements from surviving children and the fact that unfired bullets from Lanza's rifle were found on the ground, detectives suspect that some students were able to run to safety when Lanza stopped firing, probably for a short period of time, the officials said.<br />It is possible that Lanza, who reloaded the rifle frequently, mishandled or dropped a magazine and unfired bullets fell to the floor, they said."<br /><br />"But it also is possible, they said, that the mechanism that fed bullets into the rifle jammed, causing Lanza to remove the magazine and clear the weapon. Unfired bullets could have fallen to the classroom floor during that process as well, law enforcement officials said."<br /><br /> "The authorities have learned generally from the children who ran away that something may have happened to Lanza's rifle that caused him to stop firing. The substance of the statements, which are not entirely consistent, is that a piece of the weapon, probably a magazine holding live bullets, was dropped or fell to the classroom floor.<br />Investigators have decided not to formally interview the children, based on advice from Yale child psychologists. Given the chaotic nature of the scene, it is also possible that some children escaped while Lanza was shooting others in the room."<br /><br /> In my limited experience with the AR family of weapon, I've never experienced rounds falling out of a magazine by dropping it on the ground.<br /> However, loose rounds laying on the ground ARE an indication of a feeding malfunction of some sort and the shooter performing what is called immediate action where the magazine is removed from the weapon chamber cleared and then reloaded.<br /> This is usually caused by a weapon that isn't properly lubricated, or not kept clean. <br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29778006720871553422014-09-28T19:42:52.238+02:002014-09-28T19:42:52.238+02:00MikeB: "TS has a minor and typically nit pick...MikeB: "TS has a minor and typically nit picking point about the post title."<br /><br />Like how it's wrong? I know, how nit picky of me.<br /><br />MikeB: "This report is talking about the rise in "shooting incidents," defined as they are, over the years. The difference between "mass shootings" and "shooting incidents" has nothing to do with it as long as we're not comparing one to the other."<br /><br />But you're confusing one for the other. So I'd say it "has something to do with it" and in the name of accuracy and honesty, you are now informed enough to update the title.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25372104369438157142014-09-28T16:49:19.810+02:002014-09-28T16:49:19.810+02:00These threads get off topic all the time and it wa...These threads get off topic all the time and it was SS who brought up minimizing casualties. Yes, I thought it was a good point and one rarely brought up when the gun loons talk about minimizing casualties. SS, there were books and interviews by the actual witnesses and kids who were in the shooting. Get educated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com