tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post3502944075316426369..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Dispelling The Myth – Why the UK is NOT more violent than the USAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35477421822357804262014-08-18T07:15:04.307+02:002014-08-18T07:15:04.307+02:00Of course you disagree, but don't state why.Of course you disagree, but don't state why. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90339339323709516822014-08-17T03:01:56.033+02:002014-08-17T03:01:56.033+02:00Disagree.
And the UK is now arming the police mor...Disagree.<br /><br />And the UK is now arming the police more and more these days even among the protest of gun grabbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24673294062536611492014-08-04T16:10:56.169+02:002014-08-04T16:10:56.169+02:00It's wrong to say the UK is four times more vi...It's wrong to say the UK is <b>four times</b> more violent than the US. It's also wrong to conclude that the US is more violent than the UK. In short, we don't know. There are some sub categories where we can tell which one has more, like murders for the US, and rapes for the UK, but we can't tell how much more.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52923333460854194582014-08-04T09:11:07.752+02:002014-08-04T09:11:07.752+02:00Agreed.Agreed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72088094537758785132014-08-04T09:10:20.540+02:002014-08-04T09:10:20.540+02:00So, briefly stated, you agree that it's wrong ...So, briefly stated, you agree that it's wrong to say the UK is more violent than the US?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69532767639509507452014-08-03T21:12:48.755+02:002014-08-03T21:12:48.755+02:00It's a false comparison.
When it comes to gun...It's a false comparison. <br />When it comes to guns the two countries are totally different. Culture is created by traditions and acceptable behavior. England never had a "wild west" and don't even have a tradition of their cops carrying guns. The bastardized 2nd amendment is part of a false tradition of guns in America, that has caused gun abuse and gun violence. Even our Supreme Court has justified every person a right to a gun, but read Madison, that was never the intention of the 2nd amendment. So now our law is creating a gun culture. Gun abuse and violence begets more gun abuse and violence. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70290525950849879272014-08-03T18:58:59.125+02:002014-08-03T18:58:59.125+02:00This is pretty good work, but not without criticis...This is pretty good work, but not without criticism. As a piece to dispel the claim that the UK is 4x more violent than the USA, it does a good job. Quite frankly, I agree with the methods and conclusions in that regard. But then the author goes on to make the same mistakes they were critical of in coming up with categorical comparisons and statements like “thus you are X more likely to suffer Y in the US than in the UK”. For example, look at rape. We can see there is a big gap in these definitions between the US and UK. In the UK, they are saying rape can only happen with a penis, while not only is it broader in the US, but it also includes <b>attempted</b> rape. Actual penetration (and only with a penis) has to occur for it to be defined under this category in the UK. Right below that we can see the author comparing the category of “Grievous Body Harm” to the FBI’s category of “Aggravated Assault”. This egregiously wrong, and no surprise they came up with 7x more incidents in the US using this faulty comparison. If you read the definition provided, we can clearly see that aggravated assault includes <b>the threat</b> of great bodily harm, while the UK definition is actually receiving great bodily harm. It’s the difference between being stabbed, and someone brandishing a knife and saying “I’ll cut you, bitch!” (with no blood drawn). The whole point of this article was to “dispel the myth” of comparing stats where the methods and definitions are different, and then the author goes on to do the exact same thing. They should have just left the conclusion as “you can’t compare US and UK crime statistics. Period.”<br /><br />Another fault I have is that the author excluded Scotland and Northern Ireland- as they almost always do in these “gun violence” studies. It’s partly not their fault because I believe different departments keep the stats for England and Wales, but its shows laziness in not going to other sources to complete the UK statistics for these other countries. And most likely this is intentional, because why go to extra effort to add the most violent areas of the UK to their study- something which is not going to help their desired conclusion? At the very least, it is flat out wrong that the author consistently says “UK” instead of “England and Wales”- which is where the data is from. I don’t think you’d like it if we excluded “The South” from our studies while continuing to state that the data is from the whole USA. You’d probably call that “lying”.<br /><br />Lastly, I’ll note that the author cited the NCVS to conclude that the non-reporting of crimes happens more frequently in the US than the UK (err- rather England and Wales). No fault of the author here, but I just want to point out that you guys have already dismissed this survey as bogus because they came up with 200x more DGUs than you would have liked to see.<br />TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.com