tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post358186964400320592..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: UC Santa Barbara Drive-By Shooting Leaves 7 DeadAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22400579222585609542014-05-30T09:10:12.201+02:002014-05-30T09:10:12.201+02:00You must be brain dead. I already said many times ...You must be brain dead. I already said many times more would have to be hired. That's what I mean by a job creating law/regulation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6094195792953999362014-05-29T21:29:11.693+02:002014-05-29T21:29:11.693+02:00The resources don't exist to handle millions o...The resources don't exist to handle millions of screens a year, so it would cause a huge bog in sales. The field is understaffed as is.<br /><br />You seem to think a psychologist can walk into a room of a thousand people and single out the one crazy dude. It doesn't work that way.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90102561676967179512014-05-29T19:37:32.315+02:002014-05-29T19:37:32.315+02:00If they want their guns they will have to get trea...If they want their guns they will have to get treatment and show they can pass the qualifications. Most laws create new job opportunities. Completely bog down gun sales? To the mentally ill that should not have a gun. The type of interview to catch a mentally disturbed person will have to be determined, so your conclusions are false. You simply don't want mental health evaluations prior to a gun sale. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40625554689771517602014-05-29T06:03:37.808+02:002014-05-29T06:03:37.808+02:00Except when you divert attention away from treatme...Except when you divert attention away from treatment, there will probably be a negative effect. And passing a law doesn't magically create more qualified mental health care professionals. It is already considered to be a dearth of mental health care, so even if the field grows, it is widely considered that the mentally ill could use more care.<br /><br />None of that even addresses that your policy would completely bog down gun sales, and that psychologists DO NOT have psychic powers. Diagnoses can not be made from brief interviews- COLD interviews, no less. Do you realize how long it takes to come up with a diagnosis? It took a team of doctors months to determine that the Tucson shooter was not mentally fit to stand trial- and that is knowing he shot up a parking lot (not a cold interview).TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86304678853786516032014-05-28T13:00:28.632+02:002014-05-28T13:00:28.632+02:00I guess you could look at it that way, if you want...I guess you could look at it that way, if you wanted to exaggerate what I actually do say.<br /><br />Cops checking people out here and there is not the same as gun owners being required to pass a psyche eval.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91769138938257867432014-05-28T12:56:31.686+02:002014-05-28T12:56:31.686+02:00I should have known you'd have some convoluted...I should have known you'd have some convoluted tricky explanation. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61130172636265973252014-05-27T20:46:02.352+02:002014-05-27T20:46:02.352+02:00MikeB: "There you go again. How do you get &q...MikeB: "There you go again. How do you get "100 million plus Americans" out of my 50% proposal. There aren't even that many gun owners in total."<br /><br />Do you get it now? If you're going to say half the population is unfit to own guns that would include people who don't own guns but abuse drugs, and all those other reasons you want to disqualify people. Your list of "unfits" is way over 100 million.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-12977238256622449432014-05-27T20:30:58.636+02:002014-05-27T20:30:58.636+02:00How did you discredit anyone when you admitted you...How did you discredit anyone when you admitted you cannot use those figures for a definite proof of anything? I'm not arguing your numbers, I'm just saying they don't prove anything; but you claim they do, as you just did again by claiming you discredited her. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11483651329697194662014-05-27T20:27:58.263+02:002014-05-27T20:27:58.263+02:00Gee, a job creating regulation. We do what we can ...Gee, a job creating regulation. We do what we can instead of doing nothing. People slip through regulation procedures all the time, but that's a small minority most are caught and that helps. Right now we don't even screen for mental health. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5541532650114113622014-05-27T17:13:31.340+02:002014-05-27T17:13:31.340+02:00This is a point that I bring up often when people ...This is a point that I bring up often when people demand mental health screening, but I've not once seen anyone address it. Maybe you can be the first. Do you feel those suffering from mental illness are receiving too much care? Or at least adequate enough care that they can afford to have literally millions of man hours a year diverted from care of those who need it, to interviewing millions of perfectly sane people who want to buy a gun? Personally, I'd rather see more effort dedicated to care- not less.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35425522805683722022014-05-27T16:53:55.246+02:002014-05-27T16:53:55.246+02:00"You are the one who continues to use false c..."You are the one who continues to use false comparisons to try and prove your point, a point you just admitted cannot be made."<br /><br /> Then why aren't you finding fault in Dog Gone's statement that makes the same type of comparisons? DG made a claim, and I used data to disprove her claim. <br /> When you make an argument and fail to apply the same claim to the other side's claims, you sort of discredit yourself.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23936967493222796892014-05-27T16:23:29.483+02:002014-05-27T16:23:29.483+02:00What do you do when someone already owns a gun and...What do you do when someone already owns a gun and their family called the cops because they felt he might be a homicidal maniac? Because that's what we're talking about. What do you do when someone passes a screen because mental health professionals don't have psychic powers and can't tell that someone is crazy just by talking to them for 20 min? What do you do when someone passes a screen, and later goes crazy? What do you do when someone is crazy but they don't own a gun, and don't plan on owning a gun, but they are planning on stabbing their three roommates to death? Do you do nothing in these situations?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35026973831447925372014-05-27T16:03:49.387+02:002014-05-27T16:03:49.387+02:00You've expressly called for cops to go "c...You've expressly called for cops to go "check out" a situation to make sure everything is kosher before. Like automatic visits from police when someone buys too much ammo. Are you denying this? Now you're saying that wouldn't be worth a damn?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7919194642007260252014-05-27T16:00:25.325+02:002014-05-27T16:00:25.325+02:00I even explained it to you in that same post. The...I even explained it to you in that same post. There are people who don't own a gun who you don't think should be allowed to buy one, right? Or is the act of not owning a gun proof of sound mind and therefore the responsibility to own a gun... well, until they buy a gun, that is. Is that how it works for you?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48767886837640073772014-05-27T13:23:05.001+02:002014-05-27T13:23:05.001+02:00You are the one who continues to use false compari...You are the one who continues to use false comparisons to try and prove your point, a point you just admitted cannot be made. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-51832598874438949322014-05-27T13:21:57.984+02:002014-05-27T13:21:57.984+02:00No, you have mental health evaluations BEFORE the ...No, you have mental health evaluations BEFORE the purchase of a gun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23254175649684016352014-05-27T11:51:47.303+02:002014-05-27T11:51:47.303+02:00Oh, and about the other shooters passing the test,...Oh, and about the other shooters passing the test, you're wrong. There is no test. There is no psyche screening for gun ownership and the shabby reporting that is done in some places is not adequate. So, no, none of these dangerous lawful gun owners had to pass any kind of test that was worth a damn.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17076624774297815322014-05-27T11:49:19.148+02:002014-05-27T11:49:19.148+02:00There you go again. How do you get "100 mill...There you go again. How do you get "100 million plus Americans" out of my 50% proposal. There aren't even that many gun owners in total.<br /><br />Should we be worried about you? Are you all right?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26632117769071205992014-05-27T11:46:39.766+02:002014-05-27T11:46:39.766+02:00I think your numbers are off. 50% of the lawful g...I think your numbers are off. 50% of the lawful gun owners cannot be "the other 100-200 million people." What are you thinking, man? One who brags about his math skills should never say such a nonsensical thing as that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32347101537930720502014-05-26T23:43:44.858+02:002014-05-26T23:43:44.858+02:00"A cop is not a psychiatrist, or a psychologi..."A cop is not a psychiatrist, or a psychologist. The need is for true mental health evaluations by experts."<br /><br />And you get him in front of mental health professionals after an arrest for making "terroristic threats".TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-31743595158185967972014-05-26T22:36:43.745+02:002014-05-26T22:36:43.745+02:00"A cop is not a psychiatrist, or a psychologi..."A cop is not a psychiatrist, or a psychologist."<br /><br /> Your right, but California law does allow them to detain if the have probable cause to believe there is a credible threat. In fact I noticed that law had just been passed last year. If was listed on the law center to prevent gun violence web site.<br /> This country's legal system runs on due process and the presumption of innocence. <br /> As for your assertion that my facts can't prove that stiffer laws don't work, neither can you prove that they do work, which was exactly what Dog Gone was claiming.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85630920062518411122014-05-26T19:45:36.703+02:002014-05-26T19:45:36.703+02:00A cop is not a psychiatrist, or a psychologist. Th...A cop is not a psychiatrist, or a psychologist. The need is for true mental health evaluations by experts. <br />Facts don't always define the problem, as I have said. You can't claim your facts prove stiffer laws don't work. Comparing Calif. to Vermont is a false comparison, just as comparing Minnesota to any other State. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-31854831711080700502014-05-26T19:18:12.035+02:002014-05-26T19:18:12.035+02:00And they did nothing about this one. What makes y...And they did nothing about this one. What makes you think they would do something about the other 100-200 million people who you think are unfit? Remember, it’s not just the people who currently own guns- it’s also everyone who doesn’t already own a gun, but shouldn’t own a gun. You’re about prevention, aren’t you?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-12939124590268786092014-05-26T18:35:44.380+02:002014-05-26T18:35:44.380+02:00Um… they did pass that test. The Tucson shooter h...Um… they did pass that test. The Tucson shooter had contact with the police twice. The Aurora shooter’s therapist called the police on him, and they did nothing. And the VT shooter was another case of someone dropping the ball as he was already adjudicated as dangerous to himself or others but wasn’t reported to NICS. Yet in your idea of collective blame, you direct it at gun owners, the NRA, Republicans- but not the people who directly had the power to stop it. You actually place more blame on Wayne LaPierre than the Santa Barbara cops who said “he looks like a good kid”. On top of that, though we see this process failing for disarming these real world cases of psychotic murderers, you want to expand this disarmament plan literally a hundred thousand fold to cover 100 million plus Americans.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58428750578038896822014-05-26T09:39:56.823+02:002014-05-26T09:39:56.823+02:00You're right, TS. Seize upon this case to den...You're right, TS. Seize upon this case to deny the logic of my proposal. Do you think, Holmes, Cho, Laughner and Lanza would have passed such scrutiny too?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.com