tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post3921872278980869482..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Bloomberg's NYC - Safest Big City in AmericaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85274252517168213172009-10-15T11:09:32.998+02:002009-10-15T11:09:32.998+02:00"Someone whose guns are registered with the p..."Someone whose guns are registered with the police is less likely to sell them since they will be traced back to the seller. I won't get into the mechanics of prosecution, but it does indeed deter."<br /><br />it certainly does, that's why people looking to operate above boards work to facilitate the registration process. Criminals? Not-so-Much.<br /><br />"Registering guns is effective because people picked up with unregistered weapons automatically have a charge against them."<br /><br />First up, how much of a charge is non-registration?<br /><br />Of course 'round these parts non-registration usually also comes with carry without a permit, and possession of a firearm by a felon.<br /><br />More redundant laws. And it doesn't do shit for stopping crime!<br /><br />Wanna know how I know? I live in a state that has mandatory background check for private sale (though Firearms ID) mandatory registration of all firearms.<br /><br />Working SO GOOD here, believe me.<br /><br />But I'll let any of you show me otherwise. (You'll note that Anon, dropped the "the woman with the earrings" defense:<br />http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2009/09/uncannily_appropriate.htmlWeer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9708899643263850262009-10-15T10:24:17.405+02:002009-10-15T10:24:17.405+02:00Registering guns is effective because people picke...Registering guns is effective because people picked up with unregistered weapons automatically have a charge against them. <br /><br />This is the same thing with CCW. If you don't issue many CCWs, most people carrying are going to be illegal. All the police need to do is stop them for something, which could be something as small as jaywalking, and the gun and the man are theirs. <br /><br />Pro-gunners fool themselves when they think no gun control laws work There are lots of different laws and some of the laws actually do work quite well and put a lot of criminals in jail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62069924624917125552009-10-15T10:09:43.020+02:002009-10-15T10:09:43.020+02:00AztecRed, What is a "significant source of cr...AztecRed, What is a "significant source of crime guns" then?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-78852092902662045382009-10-15T10:00:46.375+02:002009-10-15T10:00:46.375+02:00"the flow of guns from good guys to bad guys ..."the flow of guns from good guys to bad guys would slow to a trickle."<br /><br />No it wouldn't as private sales were never a significant source of crime guns.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7689357711577866052009-10-15T08:15:57.413+02:002009-10-15T08:15:57.413+02:00Laci said, "Someone whose guns are registered...Laci said, <i>"Someone whose guns are registered with the police is less likely to sell them since they will be traced back to the seller."</i><br /><br />This is exactly the point I've made in response to the pro-gun mantra that criminals don't obey laws so what good are they?<br /><br />Some laws are aimed at the law abiding in order to make it harder for criminals to get guns. All those kitchen-table transfers, not to mention the unlicensed sales at gun shows, if carefully recorded and registered properly, would no longer be a source of leakage, the flow of guns from good guys to bad guys would slow to a trickle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73763709810251823972009-10-15T02:27:37.964+02:002009-10-15T02:27:37.964+02:00"Is that the same New York - the one also cal..."Is that the same New York - the one also called the Big Apple- the one with strict gun-control laws?<br /><br />I wonder if that might be just a, well you know, a coincidence?"<br /><br />No Muddy it isn't. New York has strict gun control laws, and gun crime dropped.<br /><br />Of course murder rose. But you and MikeB know that being stabbed is better than being shot, because guns make you more dead!Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73731878173502966672009-10-14T23:42:26.740+02:002009-10-14T23:42:26.740+02:00Someone whose guns are registered with the police ...Someone whose guns are registered with the police is less likely to sell them since they will be traced back to the seller. I won't get into the mechanics of prosecution, but it does indeed deter.<br /><br />MikeW, are you stupid enough that you would sell a gun to learn it was found at a crime scene: especially a murder?<br /><br />5th Amendment right against incrimination? Hunh?<br /><br />The 5th amendment doesn't work to well if the crim is found in possession of an unregistered firearm. The cops says we found this firearm on the defendant, the DA says we did a registration check and the gun was unregistered. Hey presto, client goes away to Riker's Island!<br /><br />First off, Virginia has gone down in the amount of its guns used at crime scenes. But this article as well<br />"Effects of limiting handgun purchases on interstate transfer of firearms"<br />Weil, Douglas S., Knox, Rebecca C.<br />Publisher: American Medical Association<br />Publication Name: JAMA, The Journal of the American Medical Association<br />Subject: Health<br />ISSN: 0098-7484<br />Year: 1996Laci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36287114708031194562009-10-14T22:29:30.133+02:002009-10-14T22:29:30.133+02:00Initiatives such as one gun a month do cut the sup...<i>Initiatives such as one gun a month do cut the supply of illegal guns. </i><br /><br />Because it keeps criminals from buying only one gun a month? <br /><br />or.....<br /><br />It keeps law-abiding individuals from buying only one illegal gun a month?<br /><br />Looks like your hitched yourself to a real winner here mikey.<br /><br />(although both you and Laci share an almost incomparable ability to ignore the obvious)TomBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17761057779113812992009-10-14T20:48:19.868+02:002009-10-14T20:48:19.868+02:00Registration does help since criminals aren't ...<i>Registration does help since criminals aren't likely to register their guns. Additionally, it deters people from selling illegally. </i><br /><br />Please explain how. Use logic if you're capable.<br /><br /><i>Initiatives such as one gun a month do cut the supply of illegal guns.</i><br /><br />Cite factual evidence that 1 gun a month laws have directly decreased the supply of illegal guns.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67257309284627764912009-10-14T20:19:34.818+02:002009-10-14T20:19:34.818+02:00"Registration does help since criminals aren&..."Registration does help since criminals aren't likely to register their guns."<br /><br />Criminals are not required by law to register their guns due to their 5th Amendment protection against self-incrimination.<br /><br />Only lawful gun owners must register their weapons in NY.kavemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40370589966858800632009-10-14T20:03:53.920+02:002009-10-14T20:03:53.920+02:00Is that the same New York - the one also called th...Is that the same New York - the one also called the Big Apple- the one with strict gun-control laws?<br /><br />I wonder if that might be just a, well you know, a coincidence?mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24950793194990034732009-10-14T19:28:13.482+02:002009-10-14T19:28:13.482+02:00I don't know if Bloomberg has kept up the Giul...I don't know if Bloomberg has kept up the Giuliani zero tolerance initiative. Most city cops hate it, but arresting people for minor crimes (e.g., littering) does provide for an arrest which can net other things (e.g., drugs or guns).<br /><br />I am unsure whether NYCs gun laws would be solely to credit. Not sure how his civil suits really do either.<br /><br />Initiatives such as one gun a month do cut the supply of illegal guns. Also, enforcement of gun laws by various jurisdictions are helpful in stemming illegal purchases.<br /><br />Registration does help since criminals aren't likely to register their guns. Additionally, it deters people from selling illegally. <br /><br />Reporting lost and stolen firearms is also helpful for stemming the tide. I cite this since I asked ATF about stolen guns. The Agent replied that usually that was an excuse for gun runners. Of course, I am not sure how much weight I place on that comment, but I consider it.<br /><br />It would be a combination of policing and limiting the amount of firearms in the streets.Laci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50788308359004533332009-10-14T19:09:57.110+02:002009-10-14T19:09:57.110+02:00Remember Kaveman, for MikeB only "gun crime&q...Remember Kaveman, for MikeB only "gun crime" counts. It doesn't matter to him that NYC saw a <b>net increase in murders</b> only that there were fewer with guns.<br /><br />If he acknowledged that murders didn't decrease he'd have to admit that gun control doesn't save lives or lower crime.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-3435928749226298862009-10-14T17:53:28.011+02:002009-10-14T17:53:28.011+02:00Do you even read the articles you link to?
"...Do you even read the articles you link to?<br /><br />"Bloomberg's push to rid New York City of illegal guns has seen results. The number of guns recovered from crime scenes in the city dropped by 13 percent from last year. The number of people shot to death dropped from 347 in 2007 to 292 in 2008. Overall, murders increased from 2007 to 2008, but only due to an increase in crimes committed with knives."<br /><br />Wow, it's almost as if it's a people problem, not a weapons issue.kavemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22949959532893265152009-10-14T17:03:18.073+02:002009-10-14T17:03:18.073+02:00Do the ends justify the means?
Sorry, but I don&#...Do the ends justify the means?<br /><br />Sorry, but I don't want to live in a police state.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.com