tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post4121129941708300083..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Bridgeport Residents Protest Against Cop who Accidentally Shot HimselfAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69488062368333843492014-02-12T12:56:16.171+01:002014-02-12T12:56:16.171+01:00Sounds like a disgraceful double standard.Sounds like a disgraceful double standard.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11381789755987578572014-02-12T02:46:02.746+01:002014-02-12T02:46:02.746+01:00Here is yet another update on the situation in Bri...Here is yet another update on the situation in Bridgeport.<br /><br />"On Tuesday morning, the 56-year-old Santiago, a 29-year veteran of the police force, surrendered at the state police barracks in Bethany where he was charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm -- a move many in the community said was long overdue."<br />http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Cop-arrested-in-shooting-incident-5225717.php#page-1<br /><br /> I personally am not understanding how Mr. Sullivan is charged with reckless endangerment when he had an ND in his home, yet Officer Santiago has managed to avoid the same charge for his in a crowded bagel shop.<br /> <br /> And of course there is the standard response made by people who through their inattention they violate an important safety rule and witness the consequences,<br /><br />" Officer Juan Santiago looked up from his lap where a thin ribbon of smoke was rising from a hole in a cloth gun pouch, blood trickling from a corresponding hole in his left thigh."<br /><br />"Why didn't you tell me the gun was loaded," he asked his breakfast mate, Detective Juan Gonzalez."<br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75492078230859928682014-02-11T05:09:29.695+01:002014-02-11T05:09:29.695+01:00I thought I'd throw in a little update to this...I thought I'd throw in a little update to this story. There has recently been a second protest outside Bridgeport police headquarters in regards to the lack of action in regards to the negligent discharge by a police officer in a bagel shop. <br /> What prompted this second protest? A little over a month after the officer's negligent discharge in a bagel shop, a local resident had a negligent discharge in his home. And what happened to the resident?<br /><br />"Officers responded to the home of 23-year-old Kenneth Sullivan, of Midland Street, on Jan. 28 after a report of a gunshot in the area. A bullet allegedly pierced a wall and struck the house next door. Sullivan reportedly told police his gun went off while he was cleaning it. <br />Sullivan was arrested that day and charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm, second-degree reckless endangerment and criminal mischief in the third degree. He was released after posting $1,500 bond."<br />http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/City-cop-s-gun-mishap-triggers-protest-5201282.php<br /><br /> So lets recap, officer has negligent discharge when looking at a frien's gun in a bagel shop. Shoots himself and breaks a window, he is still on duty (desk duty). No word on if he is still armed while working. I'm guessing yes.<br /> Civilian has negligent discharge in his home with no injuries and he goes to jail that very day. And keep in mind, these people aren't protesting the arrest of the civilian, they are protesting the lack of arrest or even charges against the officer.<br /><br />"If we had been involved in horseplay with a firearm in a bagel shop, we would have been taken out in handcuffs," James Keyser said as he stood in a puddle of slush outside the Bridgeport Police Department. "But here it is, 42 days later, and he hasn't been charged with anything."<br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-66363195497338169132014-01-02T14:38:47.222+01:002014-01-02T14:38:47.222+01:00You're repeating yourself Greg, and it's s...You're repeating yourself Greg, and it's still bullshit. I accept differing opinions. What I don't accept is your lies, and I point them out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79507646150936659782014-01-01T19:11:43.142+01:002014-01-01T19:11:43.142+01:00Not if the one who disagrees (YOU) uses lies to tr...Not if the one who disagrees (YOU) uses lies to try and prove his pointAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57650320415311579052014-01-01T14:05:27.377+01:002014-01-01T14:05:27.377+01:00Mikeb, will you ever get over the false notion tha...Mikeb, will you ever get over the false notion that if someone disagrees with you, that makes the person a liar?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61219403754340151482013-12-31T16:06:26.714+01:002013-12-31T16:06:26.714+01:00Yes, you have proven many times a child's life...Yes, you have proven many times a child's life means nothing to you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5500589372989249462013-12-30T15:20:47.210+01:002013-12-30T15:20:47.210+01:00No, Greg, I don't love sloppy language, I love...No, Greg, I don't love sloppy language, I love honesty. In the gun debate that we're involved in, to say cops are civilians is a fucking lie. Saying this certainly does make you a liar, because we're not dealing in "proper use," we're dealing in honest communication in modern English. In fact, how often have you differentiated between the two? Remember all the discussions about cops getting preferential treatment compared to civilian gun owners. Where was your "proper use" then?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57718123128277583152013-12-29T19:24:09.453+01:002013-12-29T19:24:09.453+01:00Mikeb, civilian, properly used, means a citizen no...Mikeb, civilian, properly used, means a citizen not in the military. You love sloppy usage, but that doesn't make me a liar for refusing to adopt your lax standards.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24769045225778535322013-12-29T16:41:54.870+01:002013-12-29T16:41:54.870+01:00Explain to Greg. He is either stupid, or lying. He...Explain to Greg. He is either stupid, or lying. He has proven to be a liar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71901669675193623562013-12-29T13:36:22.339+01:002013-12-29T13:36:22.339+01:00ss, I know that military personnel consider everyo...ss, I know that military personnel consider everyone else civilians, but in our discussions about gun control in the US, cops and civilians are two distinct and separate groups. Greg knows this but is incapable of admitting anything.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-82731675652898265452013-12-28T23:56:27.391+01:002013-12-28T23:56:27.391+01:00"Seems the fact that police are given exempti..."Seems the fact that police are given exemptions from laws that civilians are not, shows our legal system defines that police are not just civilians."<br /><br /> When the voters give someone like law enforcement additional powers, then the expectation is that they will use these additional powers or privileges responsibly. If in the course of pursuing a criminal, a civilian had been injured, or even killed, the public would likely buy off on it because he was performing his duties to the best of his ability.<br /> In this case however, the officer had a negligent discharge, something which Mike routinely complains about never being prosecuted. As the permit holder in the article said, if it had been a civilian, the expectation would have been to be charged and the permit revoked. This hasn't happened in this case. <br /> This perception of failing the test of responsibility has resulted in many changes in gun laws. For example, the shall issue permit system was developed because of the perception of unfair treatment by law enforcement when they would issue permits to those who were their political supporters, or who they "liked". So shall issue was passed to insure fairness.<br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74980173581464760222013-12-28T18:16:58.572+01:002013-12-28T18:16:58.572+01:00Since the police have powers civilians do not, I r...Since the police have powers civilians do not, I reject that a cop is just another civilian. Seems the fact that police are given exemptions from laws that civilians are not, shows our legal system defines that police are not just civilians. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73295530015559590502013-12-28T17:58:39.981+01:002013-12-28T17:58:39.981+01:00"Please explain how cops are civilians."... "Please explain how cops are civilians."<br /><br /> Mike, in the military, everyone who is not military, are civilians. Law enforcement also refers to those who are not law enforcement as civilians. <br /> In the military, civilians fall under civil law, and solders fall under military justice. And there are many offences in military justice that wouldn't be condoned on the civilian side.<br /> In law enforcement however, they fall under the same civil justice system as the local populace, they just get "exemptions" either in writing or assumed due to their position. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-31090879235455390192013-12-28T16:43:27.701+01:002013-12-28T16:43:27.701+01:00Civilian comes from civis, meaning city in Latin. ...Civilian comes from <i>civis</i>, meaning city in Latin. Police comes from <i>polis</i>, meaning city in Greek. And while we're on the subject, sheriff comes from shire reeve, something like our county administrators.<br /><br />The point here is that civilians are people who are not in the military. As always, sloppy usage has corrupted how some use the word--remember our other discussion?--but the police are certainly civilians, unless they also serve in the military.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41427992652030444512013-12-27T22:37:08.157+01:002013-12-27T22:37:08.157+01:00We've talked about the difference between chil...We've talked about the difference between children and adults before, Mikeb.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88731789672589588372013-12-27T22:34:46.725+01:002013-12-27T22:34:46.725+01:00Civilians who are exempted from laws. That's a...Civilians who are exempted from laws. That's a new one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67355009160845609162013-12-27T22:34:01.697+01:002013-12-27T22:34:01.697+01:00No, the cops would not need extended mags to prote...No, the cops would not need extended mags to protect you. But if they get in a firefight with some terrorists or escaping bank robbers they might. Your chances of needing them are about zero.<br /><br />Greg, are you tripping? Please explain how cops are civilians.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21335646409920328052013-12-27T22:29:15.016+01:002013-12-27T22:29:15.016+01:00So now you're qualifying your "never,&quo...So now you're qualifying your "never," eh? Anything else you want to add?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-43256528347932725412013-12-27T22:27:47.753+01:002013-12-27T22:27:47.753+01:00Greg, if you're a reckless gun owner and happe...Greg, if you're a reckless gun owner and happen to be sitting next to a family with kids in a restaurant and you negligently discharge your weapon which hits you in the arm, passes through and narrowly misses one of the kiddies before crashing through the window, you say no criminal charges are in order????<br /><br />I'll tell you why that's wrong. By the exact same negligent behavior one of the kids could have been killed. It's the behavior that needs to be punished and prevented from ever happening again independent of the lucky or unlucky result.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1863572060956903012013-12-27T22:22:27.672+01:002013-12-27T22:22:27.672+01:00Yes, many times civilians are given that kind of l...Yes, many times civilians are given that kind of leniency. The standards should be higher for everyone.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25345555495802799192013-12-27T19:53:23.772+01:002013-12-27T19:53:23.772+01:00More proof the site lying coward is a criminal.
I...More proof the site lying coward is a criminal. <br />It is laughable, except people are dying needlessly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83349360435716145122013-12-27T18:13:35.644+01:002013-12-27T18:13:35.644+01:00"I find the resentment of civilian gun owners... "I find the resentment of civilian gun owners towards the police petty. You guys sound like whiny babies who want special treatment also for yourselves."<br /><br /> If everyone is treated the same, it isn't special, its fair. This is a continuation of the growing expectation of accountability of the government in the exercise of their duties. They used to have a lot of discretionary powers that when exposed to the light of day, revealed that they didn't use these powers responsibly. <br /> As the permit holder in the article said, if it had happened to him he would have been criminally charged and had his permit taken from him. <br /> Here's an even better illustration of what you call petty whining,<br /><br />"Pennsylvania State Trooper Michael L. Keyes is in an odd situation.<br />When on duty, he can carry a gun.<br />Yet while off duty, he is barred by law from possessing any firearms, because seven years ago he suffered from deep depression, repeatedly tried to kill himself by taking drugs and was involuntarily committed for mental health treatment."<br />http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/12/state_trooper_cant_have_gun_wh.html<br /><br /> Though the question also involves the concept of whether someone should regain their rights after successful treatment, do you think that any other person would be given this kind of leeway?<br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5037320122973283182013-12-27T16:40:08.466+01:002013-12-27T16:40:08.466+01:00Mikeb, the police are civilians.Mikeb, the police are civilians.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67234663176032793122013-12-27T16:39:26.637+01:002013-12-27T16:39:26.637+01:00Mikeb, we're talking about adults here.Mikeb, we're talking about adults here.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com