tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post4302093773821040402..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Indiana Guns in ChicagoAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-37436433804593526902009-12-10T09:06:20.853+01:002009-12-10T09:06:20.853+01:00Sevesteen, You yourself have never lost a gun to t...Sevesteen, You yourself have never lost a gun to theft. How about your immediate circle of gun-owning friends? What about a wider circle of people you just hear about?<br /><br />Does the 80% really sound plausible to you? It doesn't to me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21207652653825002192009-12-09T21:29:39.170+01:002009-12-09T21:29:39.170+01:00but whatever. Indiana needs to have stricter gun c...<i>but whatever. Indiana needs to have stricter gun control and fewer guns in order to help Chicago. </i><br /><br />It's not Indiana's fault Chicago has a violent criminal problem. Chicago needs to get it's own house in order and quit blaming its neighboring state.<br /><br />If guns are the problem then why is Indiana, a state awash with guns and lax gun control seeing only a fraction of the violent crime of Chicago, where guns are banned?<br /><br />Access to guns is far greater in Indiana, yet it's Illinois that has the crime problem. Given that it is mindbogglingly moronic for you to try and blame Indiana for Chicago's crime problems.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10657762159309312642009-12-09T12:42:08.109+01:002009-12-09T12:42:08.109+01:00I don't take the 80% as gospel, it is from a s...I don't take the 80% as gospel, it is from a single pro-gun source without attribution. I think it is likely, however. <br /><br />Never had a gun stolen, never had a burglary. I have had things stolen from my car, so I avoid leaving guns there unless the choice is to be without a gun at all. There are some gun owners who should take more care to prevent theft, but "safe storage" laws don't take individual situations into account, and they shift the blame from the real criminal to an easier to prosecute person.Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73926396311622980502009-12-09T11:30:05.756+01:002009-12-09T11:30:05.756+01:00"then somehow those gun owners have to learn ..."then somehow those gun owners have to learn to hold on to their guns"<br /><br />You mean like wearing it on their person instead of leaving it unattended at home or in the car?kavemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-12483801895766733162009-12-09T08:22:53.923+01:002009-12-09T08:22:53.923+01:00Wow, 80% are stolen. I thought it was more from s...Wow, 80% are stolen. I thought it was more from sloppy transfers and less from theft, but whatever. Indiana needs to have stricter gun control and fewer guns in order to help Chicago. If the 80% figure is correct, then somehow those gun owners have to learn to hold on to their guns, don't you think? <br /><br />Sevesteen, have you ever had a gun stolen from you? It doesn't seem all that difficult to prevent. What do you think?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53791334417378147712009-12-09T02:29:38.624+01:002009-12-09T02:29:38.624+01:00Places like Chicago with low legal gun ownership r...Places like Chicago with low legal gun ownership rates have high crime rates. Indiana has a much lower crime rate, but a 5% concealed carry license rate. The solution is obvious. <br /><br />The only statistics I've seen on the original method of diversion said that over 80% of crime guns were stolen. It kind of makes sense that Chicago criminals don't steal them from Nevada.Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-66456472175592130492009-12-09T00:07:56.656+01:002009-12-09T00:07:56.656+01:00Prohibition has always created demand. Prohibition...Prohibition has always created demand. Prohibition has always created crime, not prevented it.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20936196783169881982009-12-08T13:09:40.216+01:002009-12-08T13:09:40.216+01:00It makes sense, but some people just won't see...It makes sense, but some people just won't see sense if it disagrees with their world view.<br /><br />"It's turtles all the way down, young man!"Laci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77091047927691867732009-12-08T12:53:59.281+01:002009-12-08T12:53:59.281+01:00"Given the lax gun laws throughout the countr...<i>"Given the lax gun laws throughout the country, it is not really possible to know 'the last state in which the gun was legally sold.'"</i><br /><br />Wrong. It is already federal law that all legal gun transfers between states require a federally licensed dealer and an FBI background check.<br /><br />You already have what you are asking for so now I assume you will want more. And you wonder why we believe in the theory of incremental-ism.<br /><br />Guns go from legally owned guns to illegally owned guns when someone breaks the law. In the case of Illinois and Indiana it is already against the law to transfer from Indiana to Illinois without a federally licensed dealer on each side of the transfer and an FBI background check on the buyer. Guess what? Gun control doesn't work.FatWhiteManhttp://fatwhiteman.comnoreply@blogger.com