tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post4314335228822855395..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Dangerous Gun Law ProposalsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60922390335002828882012-02-09T13:52:19.702+01:002012-02-09T13:52:19.702+01:00Then there are the criminals who get their guns fr...Then there are the criminals who get their guns from the law abiding in one way or another. Why do you guys have such a hard time holding onto your property.<br /><br />Stricter gun control laws could help with that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17917753115750495732012-02-09T13:51:14.471+01:002012-02-09T13:51:14.471+01:00Anonymous you sound like a whack job. You're ...Anonymous you sound like a whack job. You're seriously asking if we on this blog want to disarm good people so we can take advantage of them? Or are you talking about gun control folks in general, either way you're way out there, my friend.<br /><br />You seem to be basing your argument on the mistaken and silly idea that ALL people who kill others are determined and committed. That's obviously not the case. Many are formerly law-abiding gun owners who do their shooting on the spur of the moment. These people would be better off disarmed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8068783611403717052012-02-09T02:59:35.090+01:002012-02-09T02:59:35.090+01:00Alright... people who kill people with guns... WIL...Alright... people who kill people with guns... WILL DO SO EVEN IF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN CANT GET ONE. Getting an illegal gun is EASIER than getting a legal one. And if the person shooting someone isnt concerned about breaking the law that covers MURDER... what in gods name makes you think he/she will care about breaking a law regarding illegal guns? Really? So you want to disarm the victims? Why so you can take advantage of them easier? HELL NO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14769805940243201342012-01-29T22:03:52.407+01:002012-01-29T22:03:52.407+01:00Second try:
You have yet to show me how the propo...Second try:<br /><br />You have yet to show me how the proposed amendment will rearm violent criminals. It's just an amendment to recognize the right to bear arms. We take away the rights of felons and others all the time. How will this amendment change that?<br /><br />As to your point that we gun owners are hurting people, the vast majority of gun owners and carriers are responsible and cause no harm to anyone. Slavery caused direct harm to many people. How am I harming anyone by owning guns or carrying a handgun? No one has been killed or even injured by my firearms. Your claim that I'm harming others is false, as is your analogy about slavery and guns.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81789679406157606972012-01-29T15:34:18.724+01:002012-01-29T15:34:18.724+01:00Slavery was a right under the constitution. Slave...Slavery was a right under the constitution. Slavery was a 'right' mandated by philosophical sources like the Bible as well. The founding fathers were slave owners as well as gun owners, many of them.<br /><br />We abolished slavery because there was a growing consensus, not only nationally, but globally, that slavery was evil, that it was NOT in fact a right, and that it harmed a lot of people.<br /><br />There were lots of pro-slavery people who cited good slave owners, and all the benefits of slavery to the slaves. Some stupid reactionaries like Michele Bachmann are still touting those flawed and inaccurate claims.<br /><br />The we-all-gotta-have-our-guns crowd denies or ignores what doesn't fit their wishes about the harm guns do to the gun victims, just like those who wanted to own slaves tried to minimize what slavery did to the victims of slavery.<br /><br />I'm sure that I wouldn't have to look very far to find similar writings that expound on how good people are so they should be trusted with the responsible ownership of slaves, and how much good the institution of slavery does as well, for society.<br /><br />It doesn't make it true, but I'm sure it would be quite a close parallel in justification arguments.<br /><br />My counter argument is still the same. That gun owners do not adequately respect the competing rights of other people.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17764902102171478812012-01-29T10:32:02.963+01:002012-01-29T10:32:02.963+01:00Great one. They're like the South fighting to ...Great one. They're like the South fighting to preserve slavery.<br /><br />Wonderful.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85600308844120358542012-01-28T21:47:20.261+01:002012-01-28T21:47:20.261+01:00And YOUR SIDE IS. Losing, slowly, steadily, you...And YOUR SIDE <b>IS</b>. Losing, slowly, steadily, you're like the south in the mid-19th century fighting to preserve slavery.<br /><br />Your side is wrong, your side is losing, fighting against the tide of history, of changing public awareness and opinion, and you are, like slavery, denying the rights of a whole lot of people. In this case, your side makes people unsafe, endangers them, intrudes on THEIR rights.<br /><br />There IS no right to weapons, it is a dodo bird, a thing going extinct as an idea, as much so as the belief in the divine right of kings or any number of other ideas that were thought to be rights but are now known to be false beliefs.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33058511502212575032012-01-28T21:42:49.362+01:002012-01-28T21:42:49.362+01:00You do crap research, I'm not sure you know wh...You do crap research, I'm not sure you know what real research is..<br /><br />there is nothing outrageous in my claim; you are as ever flawed in your thinking and factually deficient.<br /><br />You might start with this:<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/us/felons-finding-it-easy-to-regain-gun-rights.html?pagewanted=all<br /><br />and then do a search, as I did, on the law firms in Minnesota that specialize solely in the easy business of getting gun rights back for dangerous, violent, utterly unredeemed unchanged criminals who should never have a gun AFTER they committed these crimes, OR for that matter before where it enabled them to commit the crimes in the first place.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-68505118576079866842012-01-28T20:00:12.905+01:002012-01-28T20:00:12.905+01:00As I expected, when I point out an outrageous clai...As I expected, when I point out an outrageous claim by your side, you say nothing.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35531183369549125092012-01-26T21:37:48.208+01:002012-01-26T21:37:48.208+01:00I did a little checking, and that proposed amendme...I did a little checking, and that proposed amendment to recognize the right to bear arms has nothing to do with violent criminals. I support every one of these proposals. They are all an example of what I consider to be commonsense gun laws.<br /><br />Do you notice that the laws that you want, laws that sound like a copy and paste job from the Washington, D.C. code, aren't even coming up for a vote? Do you notice that our side is winning?<br /><br />By the way, I see that of all the comments made about that article on the original source, only Joan Peterson agrees with the authors. Everyone else explained what's wrong with their thinking. I suppose that's what Minnesota Public Radio regards as balanced.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com