tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post4844360114998671151..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Robert Farago Thinks He Knows the Law and History Better then Former Justice John Paul StevensAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21655182994552460712014-02-26T16:38:34.759+01:002014-02-26T16:38:34.759+01:00"including two of the most powerful"--wh..."including two of the most powerful"--what other very powerful military has been faced by and ground to a halt by insurgencies? US in Vietnam--US quagmire in Afghanistan--US even lost momentum it had to work hard to regain in Iraq, which has become an utter shithole after we left.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42988671178497774262014-02-26T09:41:07.924+01:002014-02-26T09:41:07.924+01:00No, I think he was referring to Afghanistan vs. Ru...No, I think he was referring to Afghanistan vs. Russia and another example like that. Greg, would you clarify.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6980961290294130012014-02-25T15:32:34.321+01:002014-02-25T15:32:34.321+01:00Ummm...I believe he was talking about the U.S. mil...Ummm...I believe he was talking about the U.S. military there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53983123687080518272014-02-25T09:21:03.636+01:002014-02-25T09:21:03.636+01:00Greg, your examples cannot compare to the military...Greg, your examples cannot compare to the military might of the US. Stop playing dumb.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73361991363996748022014-02-24T17:54:56.409+01:002014-02-24T17:54:56.409+01:00So you Mike, Laci, Doggone and your other company ...So you Mike, Laci, Doggone and your other company doesn't show this "unabashed arrogance" in your opinions? And this short sightedness doesn't exist with you and your company either?<br /><br />Really??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23798822767654793302014-02-23T18:43:55.236+01:002014-02-23T18:43:55.236+01:00Except that it hasn't been ridiculous in all t...Except that it hasn't been ridiculous in all the places where asymmetrical warfare has worked or has fought militaries, including two of the most powerful, to a standstill.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-4457972572863533182014-02-23T10:58:49.352+01:002014-02-23T10:58:49.352+01:00Of course it's never gonna happen, Greg. That...Of course it's never gonna happen, Greg. That only makes you gun nuts all the nuttier for continually saying it. But, IF it did happen, the disparity in available weaponry makes it ludicrous to say your little guns would be enough to defeat government tyranny.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6974600755239292472014-02-23T05:24:39.658+01:002014-02-23T05:24:39.658+01:00Sadly, in many ways, we have the best military for...Sadly, in many ways, we have the best military for fighting a transition from the Cold War into a hot war that money can buy. The fact that such battles are unlikely doesn't seem to enter into the calculations of military planners and procurement officers.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6749221670908110792014-02-22T20:36:12.752+01:002014-02-22T20:36:12.752+01:00They agreed that that was a factor in the rational...They agreed that that was a factor in the rationale, but most of the discussion was spent on discussing whether the right is collective or individual, and each of them agreed that it was properly understood as individual. They also speculated that that was how the court would decide Heller.<br /><br />It was a lecture on legal interpretation, so they were talking about that side of things. They weren't going into speculating on the usefulness of a militia to restrain a government--that's something that they, Stevens, and Farago would likely be on the same level of expertise on.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7644947935164150782014-02-22T19:19:11.058+01:002014-02-22T19:19:11.058+01:00Show me where Scalia named what restrictions speci...Show me where Scalia named what restrictions specifically are permissible--beyond making felons and the dangerously insane be prohibited persons and the like. He didn't give life to your demands.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32783822880477450812014-02-22T19:17:47.073+01:002014-02-22T19:17:47.073+01:00But those first four words don't require milit...But those first four words don't require militia service. They only identify the reason that the amendment was seen as necessary.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52832476975920331542014-02-22T19:17:06.273+01:002014-02-22T19:17:06.273+01:00No, you repeated the ridiculous claims that Laci l...No, you repeated the ridiculous claims that Laci loves to make, ignoring the facts that asymmetrical warfare is effective for the ostensibly weaker side and that many personnel in our militiary would refuse to fight against Americans.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32774765072106537962014-02-22T18:07:16.060+01:002014-02-22T18:07:16.060+01:00Then why is Stevens saying that line should be add...Then why is Stevens saying that line should be added?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53086735057113532402014-02-22T09:51:14.261+01:002014-02-22T09:51:14.261+01:00My problem with Farago was his unabashed arrogance...My problem with Farago was his unabashed arrogance in calling Stevens' justification "short-sighted." Then following that up with a really short-sighted justification of his own.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35362438468304863292014-02-22T09:49:24.750+01:002014-02-22T09:49:24.750+01:00Actually, even Justice Scalia said restrictions ar...Actually, even Justice Scalia said restrictions are permissible. There went your "shall not be infringed" nonsense. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49856639654652932682014-02-22T09:47:50.271+01:002014-02-22T09:47:50.271+01:00The agreed that gun ownership would be sufficient ...The agreed that gun ownership would be sufficient to prevent government tyranny?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-43771556763204362412014-02-22T09:46:40.217+01:002014-02-22T09:46:40.217+01:00No rewriting is needed only an honest interpretati...No rewriting is needed only an honest interpretation of what it says now INCLUDING the first four words.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-80324285157226187022014-02-22T09:45:13.970+01:002014-02-22T09:45:13.970+01:00It is weak, Greg, and I told you why in the post.It is weak, Greg, and I told you why in the post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21022411260860706022014-02-22T00:03:40.268+01:002014-02-22T00:03:40.268+01:00 Lets not forget that former Justice Stevens wa... Lets not forget that former Justice Stevens was part of the minority on this case. If Farago favors the majority opinion, then while he might not be as knowledgeable as the former justice, it doesnt discount the decision. <br /> There might even be one or two people who disagree with Miranda, but its the law of the land and must be respected as such until it is overturned.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49863834970570122112014-02-21T19:25:54.813+01:002014-02-21T19:25:54.813+01:00Do you think you know better than the majority of ...Do you think you know better than the majority of justices who decide that it's an individual right? There's no problem if you do, but it sorta ends the validity of your claim against usAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87516782811367908602014-02-21T18:49:50.789+01:002014-02-21T18:49:50.789+01:00Yep, that's what Stevens is saying here. You&...Yep, that's what Stevens is saying here. You'd have to rewrite the 2A to include that new line for it to be a collective right tied to militia service. TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1700629493903097922014-02-21T16:05:01.306+01:002014-02-21T16:05:01.306+01:00I can remember a symposium I once attended while H...I can remember a symposium I once attended while Heller was being deliberated. The university brought in two of it's own professors from the law school and 3 or 4 from other law schools to speak on the 2nd Amendment.<br /><br />The professors chosen for this were not conservatives, and yet all of them agreed, more or less, with what Farago is saying. You could tell at least one of them didn't like the implications and wanted to change things so that the right could be limited and regulated more, but he still admitted that the history was pretty clear and that the arguments against an individual right were wanting.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19980780183670791432014-02-21T15:43:21.500+01:002014-02-21T15:43:21.500+01:00So if one were to say that the current legal inter...So if one were to say that the current legal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment as decided by the Supreme Court is that there is an individual right to own guns regardless of whether or not you belong to a militia would they be correct? Is this what Judge Stevens would say?Jim2020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29334366512429731312014-02-21T15:16:28.957+01:002014-02-21T15:16:28.957+01:00Resistance to tyranny is one legitimate reason for...Resistance to tyranny is one legitimate reason for owning and carrying firearms, but that's only one, and given the current nature of our society, our gun rights serve solely as a reminder. But just because gun control freaks have no problem with tyranny is no proof that the argument here is weak.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com