tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5316612637848258805..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Guns and CarsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38527747614672816232014-04-07T09:56:13.384+02:002014-04-07T09:56:13.384+02:00Which has nothing to do with the conversation. Nic...Which has nothing to do with the conversation. Nice try at diversion. <br />I would agree with your statement, so why are you constantly screaming about your gun rights being taken away, they are not by your own admission. Again, I'm not anti gun and I don't want to take away your guns, or your right to own a gun. Your arguments are simply extremist and ridiculous, as usual. . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90364771334188732932014-04-07T01:16:03.484+02:002014-04-07T01:16:03.484+02:00Anonymous, since you're falling back on your b...Anonymous, since you're falling back on your bad habits, I'll just leave you with this:<br /><br />In most states, in Congress, and in the Supreme Court, gun rights are protected and are expanded regularly. There's nothing you can do about that.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59210019114045446872014-04-05T19:51:42.501+02:002014-04-05T19:51:42.501+02:00Thanks for proving your outside the law thinking. ...Thanks for proving your outside the law thinking. YOU do not make the laws. YOUR opinion is not law. Your comparison, as usual, is ridiculous. Now you have just said rights and privileges do not have limitations. Truly an uneducated opinion, and wrong. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27559593379971053532014-04-05T18:56:04.519+02:002014-04-05T18:56:04.519+02:00Don't forget other rights--believe that was on...Don't forget other rights--believe that was one of your titles for me and others in the past. "Gun and other rights extremists."Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83027697696212089422014-04-05T17:28:35.259+02:002014-04-05T17:28:35.259+02:00Then you are hereby barred from exercising your sp...Then you are hereby barred from exercising your speech rights to talk about gun control. After all, rights have limitations, yes?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42858652944064181712014-04-05T17:27:32.004+02:002014-04-05T17:27:32.004+02:00Mikeb, it's not that we don't understand w...Mikeb, it's not that we don't understand what you're arguing. It's the fact that your argument is wrong.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41113002024855634992014-04-05T13:56:53.882+02:002014-04-05T13:56:53.882+02:00Kurt, I haven't rebutted your arguments becaus...<i>Kurt, I haven't rebutted your arguments because I've agreed with them.</i><br /><br />You've "<i>agreed with</i> them"? You "agree" with us by saying we "proffer nonsense"? By saying that "all [I've] got" is "the private property hilarity"?<br /><br />Can I perhaps be forgiven for thinking that looks suspiciously like <i>dis</i>agreement?<br /><br />If I've "completely avoided the point," it's because <i>you've</i> completely avoided making the "point" effectively.<br /><br /><b>You</b> post a meme that takes a position that even you are now forced to admit is untenable, and then accuse us of avoiding the "point" that we're apparently supposed to accept on the mere basis of you having asserted it.<br /><br />We're still waiting for you to do better than that.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-78497139758700462302014-04-05T13:31:11.667+02:002014-04-05T13:31:11.667+02:00"The problem is that you keep failing to make..."The problem is that you keep failing to make the case convincingly."<br /><br />So says Simon, a raving, gun-rights extremist. What a surprise.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36204735075584804132014-04-05T13:30:08.765+02:002014-04-05T13:30:08.765+02:00Kurt, I haven't rebutted your arguments becaus...Kurt, I haven't rebutted your arguments because I've agreed with them. You have poked holes in the post. You're good at that. But by doing so you've completely avoided the point.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48814961431836117022014-04-05T11:52:40.270+02:002014-04-05T11:52:40.270+02:00Yes go on if you want to look more ridiculous. All...Yes go on if you want to look more ridiculous. All rights and privileges have limitations. I was responding to your first false notion, that cars don't have restrictions, yet guns do. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74268676071845639922014-04-05T09:09:24.165+02:002014-04-05T09:09:24.165+02:00And you tossed in that it was a clumsy, inexact co...And you tossed in that it was a clumsy, inexact comparison up above. We got that too.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8135451082616617572014-04-05T09:08:22.771+02:002014-04-05T09:08:22.771+02:00We get that that is the point you're trying to...We get that that is the point you're trying to get across. The problem is that you keep failing to make the case convincingly.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-89667871829245327222014-04-05T09:04:31.351+02:002014-04-05T09:04:31.351+02:00The point of this admittedly clumsy comparison is ...<i>The point of this admittedly clumsy comparison is that guns are not regulated properly. There should be licensing, registration and insurance requirements and better accountability for misuse.</i><br /><br />That may indeed be the intended "point," but you--and "one million moms and dads against 'gun violence'"--have yet to effectively make it, or to effectively rebut our counterarguments.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88893332116772010522014-04-05T09:02:16.721+02:002014-04-05T09:02:16.721+02:00Mike Z. got the "driving is a privilege"...Mike Z. got the "driving is a privilege" thing in there. Did you catch that, TS?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20643058223305707922014-04-05T09:00:23.996+02:002014-04-05T09:00:23.996+02:00Yes, you guys are masters at poking holes in thing...Yes, you guys are masters at poking holes in things in order to avoid the point. The point of this admittedly clumsy comparison is that guns are not regulated properly. There should be licensing, registration and insurance requirements and better accountability for misuse. That's the point. Keep pretending you don't get it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39387012412061567722014-04-05T02:48:59.608+02:002014-04-05T02:48:59.608+02:00In the same way that some firearms--full auto guns...In the same way that some firearms--full auto guns--are heavily regulated, some vehicles are. But there are no limits on horsepower, number of cylinders, maximum possible speed, or any other analogues to magazine capacity. Stick shifts and automatics are both legal, while many gun control freaks want to ban semiautomatic firearms. Need I go on?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-51593576217840477752014-04-05T02:45:43.505+02:002014-04-05T02:45:43.505+02:00Of course it makes sense to you, Mikeb. Simon was...Of course it makes sense to you, Mikeb. Simon was talking about reasonable people.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47131780044553223652014-04-04T18:50:16.074+02:002014-04-04T18:50:16.074+02:00Nicely said guys. Licensing gun ownership in the ...Nicely said guys. Licensing gun ownership in the style of licensing driving is not treating guns like cars, Mike<br /><br />Also, regarding your question about driving on private property--that's how many of us learned and how others continue to--driving on private property long before getting a permit or license.<br /><br />Also, folks drive non-street legal jalopies that they soup up for their private fun. Treating guns like cars would mean that while we might not be able to carry around our modified guns, there would be nothing to stop me from souping up an old AK variant just for fun times on my property as long as I kept it there and shot it responsibly.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56766254837771181442014-04-04T17:49:58.216+02:002014-04-04T17:49:58.216+02:00violating those things doesn't lead to a loss ...violating those things doesn't lead to a loss of rights though, nor does the registration, licesne or insurance become much of an issue in ca. Now days most departments wont even enforce traffic laws on large groups off people. (illegals) And this whole conversation disregards the fact that driving is by definition a privilege, not spelled out in the constitution where as the right to keep and bear arms is, so how do restrictions on a privilege equate to open restrictions on a constitutional right? The irony is that many of the same cities that try to make gun ownership and carry as inconvenient as possible view punishing illegals for breaking the law driving as unconstitutional.<br />MikeZ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-13359643237890849972014-04-04T17:40:53.108+02:002014-04-04T17:40:53.108+02:00"You guys love to proffer that nonsense about..."You guys love to proffer that nonsense about "off your property." <br /><br /> Actually it seems quite germane. We often discuss the utility of firearms for self defense in the home as opposed to in public. And most gun control groups "claim" to be ok with possession of gun in the home, read private property.<br /> But then they want may-issue carry permit systems, and would likely support no-issue permit systems. <br /><br />"Also your "shall issue" thing is talking about concealed carry. We're talking about gun ownership."<br /><br /> Again, all of the licensing of cars mentioned in the meme you posted deals with cars being used in public. And all of the licensing and registration, operator licensing, etc. are only required off of private property, just like permitted carry. To make it more applicable to your wishes, you would want to require proof of operator's training to be presented at the dealer before you can purchase. Also, if you were ever in an accident, or gotten a ticket, even once, or for that matter, ever gotten a ticket and you were acquitted, you don't get to buy. Also, if the police don't think you have the right temperament, or just because they don't like cars, you don't get one then either.<br /> <br /> ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10487598139617797522014-04-04T17:10:51.741+02:002014-04-04T17:10:51.741+02:00You guys love to proffer that nonsense about "...<i>You guys love to proffer that nonsense about "off your property." What percentage of the driving that happens in the US every day is on private property.</i><br /><br />But what's being discussed here is making <i>gun</i> laws like car laws. Car laws do not require licensing, registration, or insurance for use on private property. If guns are to be regulated in the same way, then private gun ownership at home would have to be similarly treated as none of the government's damned business.<br /><br /><i>Also your "shall issue" thing is talking about concealed carry. We're talking about gun ownership.</i><br /><br />Who is "we"? There is nothing to indicate that the "one million moms and dads against 'gun violence'" are limiting the discussion to ownership, to the exclusion of carry.<br /><br />Come to think of it, you were just bitching about us pointing out that car <i>ownership</i> does not require licensing, registration, or insurance--only public driving (the nearest automotive analog to carrying a gun in public) does. <i>Now</i> you want us to shut up about carrying (public use) of firearms, which again is analogous to driving a car in public, and talk only about ownership?<br /><br />Make up your mind.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-31521520523990517042014-04-04T17:00:26.843+02:002014-04-04T17:00:26.843+02:00You've heard of "serious jail time" ...<i>You've heard of "serious jail time" for carrying a gun while drunk?</i><br /><br />Um, yeah--on this post that <i>you</i> put up:<br /><br /><i>severe jail time for weapons used while under the influence</i><br /><br />I'll respond elsewhere to "the private property hilarity."Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49345006317248936322014-04-04T16:54:36.382+02:002014-04-04T16:54:36.382+02:00No, but this might be about the time you pull out ...No, but this might be about the time you pull out the old gun ownership is a right and car ownership is a privilege.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22356538995782946832014-04-04T16:53:15.854+02:002014-04-04T16:53:15.854+02:00How about a license requirement to own a gun and a...How about a license requirement to own a gun and a registration requirement when you do? How about liability insurance? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86827569675621675812014-04-04T16:51:34.679+02:002014-04-04T16:51:34.679+02:00That's all you got, Kurt, the private property...That's all you got, Kurt, the private property hilarity.<br /><br />"I've never heard of "severe jail time" for driving while under the influence unless" What's that supposed to mean? You've heard of "serious jail time" for carrying a gun while drunk?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.com