tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5453501960172812838..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Most Violent States - Least Violent StatesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69165071274439142592012-05-31T15:00:59.365+02:002012-05-31T15:00:59.365+02:00Sure, some of the most violent states are gun-righ...Sure, some of the most violent states are gun-rights paradises. That is also the point. Violence is everywhere. Gun control does not affect violence.Capn Crunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494225553563073179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26074528248867467122012-05-31T13:34:04.141+02:002012-05-31T13:34:04.141+02:00Um, Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire? Those are gun r...Um, Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire? Those are gun rights paradises. When are you going to change your tune? You admitted that the violence doesn't follow the gun control. Those are your words. So what does gun control accomplish? Are you now going to admit that it's about taking away the rights of good citizens?<br /><br />Do it! Do it! Do it!Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84742073438027529432012-05-31T09:10:13.275+02:002012-05-31T09:10:13.275+02:00Yeah, but look at those most violent states. You&#...Yeah, but look at those most violent states. You've got a few of your best gun-rights paradises.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52764338919039881142012-05-30T20:49:12.008+02:002012-05-30T20:49:12.008+02:00USPI is not counting suicides. This “groobiecat” ...USPI is not counting suicides. This “groobiecat” site took USPI and imposed “gun deaths” on top of it with their little coffin graphic. What USPI did was define guns as being bad and made that part of the index.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91916573577882277952012-05-30T20:43:14.337+02:002012-05-30T20:43:14.337+02:00The problem that I have with this report is that t...The problem that I have with this report is that they included “availability of small arms” as a contributing factor to the peace index. Note they also said this:<br /><br /><i>USPI results are correlated against a large secondary dataset of economic, educational, health, demographic, and social capital factor, in order to determine the environments which are most closely associated with peace in the U.S.</i><br /><br />This secondary dataset is where “availability of small arms” belongs. Instead of asking the question “do small arms contribute to violence”, they <b>assumed</b> [guns = less peace] as a variable definition contributing to the index. What this means is that by removing the small arm indicator (and putting it in the secondary dataset where it belongs), all the states with high gun availability will score a little better, and the low gun availability states will score a little worse in the USPI.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39239240413900210742012-05-30T19:15:24.054+02:002012-05-30T19:15:24.054+02:00Education level and economic opportunity/achieveme...Education level and economic opportunity/achievement will correlate significantly with violence. (Technically speaking there will be a significant negative correlation.)<br /><br />You will also find a significant negative correlation to violence where families are healthy and citizens have a strong commitment to their community.Capn Crunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494225553563073179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32426591619323284872012-05-30T19:10:20.123+02:002012-05-30T19:10:20.123+02:00I'm sure the report is based on 2009/10 data s...I'm sure the report is based on 2009/10 data so Wyoming will have to wait a couple of years.Bill Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372322870114949570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61850893089327764322012-05-30T19:01:50.708+02:002012-05-30T19:01:50.708+02:00"Wyoming has improved the most ..."
And..."Wyoming has improved the most ..."<br /><br />And this is incredibly interesting since Wyoming recently became a "constitutional concealed carry" state. I can't help but wonder how long before Wyoming climbs into the number three spot next to Vermont.Capn Crunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494225553563073179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83516571874346936812012-05-30T18:55:42.020+02:002012-05-30T18:55:42.020+02:00I find it interesting that 8 of the 10 most peacef...I find it interesting that 8 of the 10 most peaceful states are shall issue concealed carry states with Vermont actually being a "constitutional concealed carry" state.Capn Crunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494225553563073179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6356413732699296652012-05-30T18:14:41.601+02:002012-05-30T18:14:41.601+02:00Finally, something we can agree on. Violence and ...Finally, something we can agree on. Violence and Gun Control aren't related.<br /><br />Now that you've accepted that, why do we need Gun Control?<br /><br />Clearly it's not safety, because as we see, violence and Gun Control aren't related.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32162344966421995792012-05-30T17:54:47.357+02:002012-05-30T17:54:47.357+02:00So are you giving up on gun control?
Look at the ...So are you giving up on gun control?<br /><br />Look at the map. Are you suggesting that the educational levels and qualities of Utah and Vermont are the same? How about Arkansas and Oregon? I don't have an easy answer to why things are as they are, since it's literally all over the map.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59856113454663225792012-05-30T17:22:31.358+02:002012-05-30T17:22:31.358+02:00The violence doesn't follow the gun control, I...The violence doesn't follow the gun control, I agree. Maybe it's education level that it aligns with.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34834565818694706762012-05-30T17:14:35.802+02:002012-05-30T17:14:35.802+02:00"and let's work together on the real caus..."and let's <b>work</b> together on the real causes of violence and the real needs in our country?"<br /><br />Because it is far easier for him to bleat away on his blog from afar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19638162412765444802012-05-30T15:07:12.018+02:002012-05-30T15:07:12.018+02:00Mikeb, with the exception of Hawaii and somewhat R...Mikeb, with the exception of Hawaii and somewhat Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, none of those states have the gun control that you want. The laws in eight of those states are nearly identical. Utah even allows concealed carry on college campuses. Vermont requires no permit to carry. All of the others have shall-issue systems. The country as a whole is the most peaceful that it has been in twenty years, despite (in your view) the wave of stand-your-ground and shall-issue laws.<br /><br />What do we conclude here? Gun control is irrelevant to gun violence.<br /><br />Do you get that? We've told you time and again, but here's more evidence. Gun control is no predictor of peace in a society.. So why don't you give up this silly effort to take away our rights, and let's work together on the real causes of violence and the real needs in our country?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-82391831928478222872012-05-30T15:01:10.381+02:002012-05-30T15:01:10.381+02:00Are suicides counted in their "gun deaths&quo...Are suicides counted in their "gun deaths"? If so, I don't think you can draw any kind of connections to crime activity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5807158418515706512012-05-30T11:43:25.261+02:002012-05-30T11:43:25.261+02:00Yes, fascinating, it seems that 4 of my Baldwin To...Yes, fascinating, it seems that 4 of my <a href="http://wildbillbaldwin.blogspot.com/2012/03/brady-bunch-score-card-fail.html/" rel="nofollow">Baldwin Top Ten</a> gun friendly states made it to the top 5 peaceful states as well.Bill Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372322870114949570noreply@blogger.com