tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5557467459441346493..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Vermont Proposed Legislation - Pay for Not Owning a GunAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-55331866922224617962012-03-22T14:40:46.480+01:002012-03-22T14:40:46.480+01:00Democommie said "Had the Teabaggist and their...Democommie said "Had the Teabaggist and their congressional lapdogs not gutted the bill"<br /><br />You are really funny...to paraphrase Nancy Pelosi "we have to pass it to see what's in it"?<br /><br />Please explain how they were able to do that since no one read it in its entirety before passage?Will Stinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05200516917475578447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76946257055801430392012-03-19T12:00:03.490+01:002012-03-19T12:00:03.490+01:00"Having access to health care thats affordabl..."Having access to health care thats affordable is one thing. To be required to purchase it or face a fine or jail time is unacceptable. I have the ability to be self insured. To that end, I dont want to be forced to buy anything, and that includes guns."<br /><br />Had the Teabaggist and their congressional lapdogs not gutted the bill that was originally presented the "purchase requirement" would not have found it's way into the legislation. You ARE required to pay for police, fire, military and other civil infrastructure--whether you use it or not. Public health should be part of the civil infrastructure.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49633356619778564022012-03-13T16:12:53.371+01:002012-03-13T16:12:53.371+01:00Racial tension? Are you saying that blacks and La...Racial tension? Are you saying that blacks and Latinos are incapable of owning guns responsibly?<br /><br />But compare two cities: Philadelphia and Camden. Both have high crime rates. Both have similar populations. Camden has the higher rate of violent crime per hundred thousand persons, though. On the Pennsylvania side of the river, concealed carry is allowed for anyone who meets the minimum standards. In New Jersey, carry is theoretically allowed, but no one gets issued a license. Now Camden does have a problem with a shrinking police force, but what we see here is evidence that concealed carry does not raise the crime rate.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26002713770881021792012-03-13T11:28:33.051+01:002012-03-13T11:28:33.051+01:00That's your bag, man.That's your bag, man.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33704159068935801872012-03-13T11:27:05.091+01:002012-03-13T11:27:05.091+01:00My point is there's more to it than guns. Gun...My point is there's more to it than guns. Gun availability, which admittedly is very high in Vermont, is only one factor. The other ones like high unemployment, high violent crime, racial tension, poor education, overtaxed social programs, and others, are all lacking in green Vermont.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74449168153849299862012-03-13T02:46:32.706+01:002012-03-13T02:46:32.706+01:00" Sorry, but I'm not going to pay a fine ..." Sorry, but I'm not going to pay a fine for keeping my home safe from guns."<br /><br />So you're OK with breaking the law if you disagree with it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-54043628553303766752012-03-12T22:24:06.535+01:002012-03-12T22:24:06.535+01:00You mean that someone is playing politics? How sh...You mean that someone is playing politics? How shocking. But if you're incapable of being safe around firearms, I'm sure that an exemption could be crafted for you.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29249882406704048692012-03-12T19:25:45.306+01:002012-03-12T19:25:45.306+01:00Ridiculous grandstanding. Sorry, but I'm not ...Ridiculous grandstanding. Sorry, but I'm not going to pay a fine for keeping my home safe from guns. This is pro-gun extremism run amok.Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48391032825483646692012-03-12T19:06:27.095+01:002012-03-12T19:06:27.095+01:00Having access to health care thats affordable is o...Having access to health care thats affordable is one thing. To be required to purchase it or face a fine or jail time is unacceptable. I have the ability to be self insured. To that end, I dont want to be forced to buy anything, and that includes guns.<br /><br />I will buy what fits my needs, to be forced to buy something that does otherwise is just stupid if it does not fit my requirements, gun or health care, trucks, saddles or anything. The govenment hasnt a clue what I need.<br /><br />I could care less about left or right, teabaggers or occupy movements. Its when I went to do my taxes, which is a nightmare, to get a warning about the fines I face next year in not particapating in Obama care is absolutely over the top.<br /><br />Thats my comparison, thats where I am coming from.Texas Colt carrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71125411919203072742012-03-12T17:19:15.590+01:002012-03-12T17:19:15.590+01:00Texas Colt Carry:
The notion of universal access ...Texas Colt Carry:<br /><br />The notion of universal access to affordable healthcare has gotten completely subsumed in the the Teabaggist arguments about gummint' interference in the right of corporate persons to fuck ALL of us up the ass when in comes to healthcare. <br /><br />To compare the two is disingenuous.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14448411257015198602012-03-12T15:31:04.294+01:002012-03-12T15:31:04.294+01:00Um, your point?Um, your point?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19659019792590266682012-03-12T15:30:01.398+01:002012-03-12T15:30:01.398+01:00When did you do that?When did you do that?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9466245071727069312012-03-12T09:21:31.232+01:002012-03-12T09:21:31.232+01:00Yeah, I told you why.Yeah, I told you why.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47608288554362976352012-03-12T08:57:02.465+01:002012-03-12T08:57:02.465+01:00You know why, Greg, because in Vermont there's...You know why, Greg, because in Vermont there's no Camden or New Orleans.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-28795156489091585622012-03-12T08:04:31.838+01:002012-03-12T08:04:31.838+01:00I'm impressed to be typing this on a laptop, c...I'm impressed to be typing this on a laptop, considering we're in the 18th century.<br /><br />It takes a certain kind of severe cynicism in the state our country to suggest that people must be armed for a potential domestic uprising. But given these are the same people who want to dismantle our public schools and denounce the government at every turn, I can't say I'm all that surprised.Ian McGibboneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04366756458018420005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9953370591197725962012-03-12T01:45:50.125+01:002012-03-12T01:45:50.125+01:00There are countries around the world like Israel a...There are countries around the world like Israel and Switzerland that view military service as a civic duty and require people to serve. Being a part of the militia doesn't sound like that ridiculous of a demand afterall.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-43207581265418221302012-03-12T00:32:12.514+01:002012-03-12T00:32:12.514+01:00To remind everyone, Vermont has a lot of gun owner...To remind everyone, Vermont has a lot of gun owners already and has one of the lowest crime rates in the nation.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24667774452616772042012-03-11T22:48:30.692+01:002012-03-11T22:48:30.692+01:00Personally I think this law would be funny as hell...Personally I think this law would be funny as hell. It reality, it will not survive an appeal. As much as I agree in my right to bear arms. It is in fact just that. A right. What's next? $500 fine for not voting. Maybe a fine for not practicing a religion. It would be a ridiculous notion.J.O.B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12180244268084796661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35912640801417236422012-03-11T22:06:42.477+01:002012-03-11T22:06:42.477+01:00You are a mentally ill faggot. We have guns to kil...You are a mentally ill faggot. We have guns to kill people like you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1897975898726562082012-03-11T20:13:22.463+01:002012-03-11T20:13:22.463+01:00I can look at it this way. If Obama can force you ...I can look at it this way. If Obama can force you into commerce in the form of health care or fine you for not doing so, then why not fine you for not buying a gun for self protection.<br /><br />One is just as un-constitutional as the other.<br /><br />Both are "aimed" at self protection, are they not?Texas Colt carrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40805577430729848502012-03-11T17:38:19.096+01:002012-03-11T17:38:19.096+01:00OH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!
Do...OH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!<br /><br />Does that mean that we're all lawbreakers if'n we don't own and keep in good repair a "Brown Bess" or "Kentucky Long Rifle"? Or does it mean that idiotic interpretations of 220 year old statutes are more the rule for teh gunzloonz than the exception?democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47691658865277978542012-03-11T17:19:07.719+01:002012-03-11T17:19:07.719+01:00When you have a good idea that you can express in ...When you have a good idea that you can express in language more mature than a fifth grader, you will let us know, won't you?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-28669173327373480132012-03-11T16:22:06.962+01:002012-03-11T16:22:06.962+01:00A federal fine for not owning a gun has been in pl...A federal fine for not owning a gun has been in place since The Militia Acts from 1791.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6878215484253067332012-03-11T13:42:56.010+01:002012-03-11T13:42:56.010+01:00"Often when I hear about something from Vermo..."Often when I hear about something from Vermont, I wonder why the rest of the country can't do the same thing."<br /><br />Right. This coming from one of the loud but tiny legion of TGM*, a group who consistently bleatz about individual rightz and complainz about encroaching federalizm--until they see an incredibly fucking stupid idea that, to them, seems like a good one. <br /><br />I'm all for paying a $500 fee for not owning a gun. Just as soon as you offer to give up a weekend a month and two weeks every summer for training--without pay. After all, what REAL PATRIOT would dream of charging his nation for the PRIVILEGE of defending it and training for that defense? Oh, and that would also mean that the members of the "militia" would have to be available for inspections and, if called to service, for an extended deployment to the borders of the U.S. to repel the invading chicomislamofascistatheists bent on destroying MurKKKa and it's way life. <br /><br />Oh, you weren't thinking along those lines? Tough shit, moron. <br /><br />* True Gunzloonz Moronz(c)(tm)(sm)democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27839138785040793652012-03-11T13:17:16.299+01:002012-03-11T13:17:16.299+01:00Kennesaw, Georgia passed a similar law a while ago...Kennesaw, Georgia passed a similar law a while ago, requiring all households to have a gun. There was an exemption for those who objected on grounds of conscience or who were legally disallowed. Remove the fine for not owning a gun, and this proposal in Vermont would make more sense. Make it a statement of principle.<br /><br />Often when I hear about something from Vermont, I wonder why the rest of the country can't do the same thing.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com