tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5752961309830624580..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Cleveland Cops Shoot Boy, 12, Carrying 'Airsoft' Toy Gun Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1779106736495322912015-01-09T05:17:10.280+01:002015-01-09T05:17:10.280+01:00Just ran across this piece about three young lads ...Just ran across this piece about three young lads who almost managed to make themselves famous posthumously. The body cam footage is quite enlightening.<br /><br />"As Officer Luna steps out of his vehicle, gun drawn, he starts yelling commands. His first command to the three teens is to show him their hands.<br />The teen on the left simply refuses to listen, and keeps both hands in his jacket pockets, staring dumbly at the officer. His friend in the red jacket also acts as if the officer must be talking to someone else, and nonchalantly takes his time to sit on the curb, objects in his hands, one of which quickly disappears out of sight.<br />But as poorly as these two teens followed directions, raising the stakes of the call exponentially by hiding their hands in or near pockets where the officer can’t see what they’re doing, their seventeen-year-old buddy in the gray hoodie was even dumber.<br />Not only did he make what officers call a “furtive gesture”—a subconcious, reflexive touching of a concealed weapons to assure it really is concealed—but the suspected gunman raised his hands, but then advanced upon the officer.<br />Watch the incredibly intense video, filmed by the officer’s in-car camera, and imagine that you are the officer responding to the hysterical calls of a woman who is sure that she’s seen a real gun. None of three young men are doing what you tell them to do, two of them have their hands hidden in their jackets, and the third is walking straight for you."<br /><br /><br />http://bearingarms.com/idiot-teens-refuse-listen-officer-almost-pull-triple-tamir-rice-texas/ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67854689995096269582014-12-09T23:08:44.878+01:002014-12-09T23:08:44.878+01:00You can pretend that your seriously asking that an...<i>You can pretend that your seriously asking that and implying nothing at all, but I don't buy it.</i><br /><br />So now I'm "pretending" that I'm <i>not</i> "pretending" that my question about the window was not a categorical statement?"<br /><br />If you had a tail, you'd run yourself ragged chasing it, I'd wager.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-55525161647871203662014-12-09T19:44:06.011+01:002014-12-09T19:44:06.011+01:00Kurt: "Can you tell if the passenger side win...Kurt: "Can you tell if the passenger side window was down (I can't) . . . <br /><br />So that's "pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down"?"<br /><br />Yes that's exactly what it was. I call that a "loaded question." You can pretend that your seriously asking that and implying nothing at all, but I don't buy it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21495995605997973632014-12-08T19:02:17.359+01:002014-12-08T19:02:17.359+01:00This is the guy Kurt was defending so strongly . ....<i>This is the guy Kurt was defending so strongly . . . </i><br /><br />So asking what the officer's alleged "lie" was is "defending so strongly"? Without expressing <i>any</i> opinion about the legitimacy of the shooting?<br /><br /><i> . . . pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down . . . </i><br /><br />Let's look at <a href="http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/11/more-on-12-year-old-cleveland-boy.html?showComment=1417441869474#c6244865956298265543" rel="nofollow">what I <i>actually</i> said</a>, Mikeb, since you seem to be so confused about it (wouldn't want to accuse you of lying):<br /><br /><i>Can you tell if the passenger side window was down (I can't) . . . </i><br /><br />So <i>that's</i> "pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down"?<br /><br />You seem to be accusing me of being <i>quite</i> lackadaisical, in both my "defending," and "pretending." I'd like to think I would do better at both, if I were trying to engage in such activity.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24429055855864069662014-12-08T17:33:10.034+01:002014-12-08T17:33:10.034+01:00Yeah. This is the guy Kurt was defending so stron...Yeah. This is the guy Kurt was defending so strongly, pretending that he had the patrol car window rolled down and had shouted his two warnings before exiting the vehicle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33965097119007521632014-12-05T17:06:13.967+01:002014-12-05T17:06:13.967+01:00Not when he has outright lied about me so many tim...Not when he has outright lied about me so many times, even apologizing, but those apologies are insincere since he continues to lie about me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26977987349015315422014-12-04T16:25:54.362+01:002014-12-04T16:25:54.362+01:00Here's an interesting article I came across ab...Here's an interesting article I came across about this event,<br /><br />"Timothy Loehmann, the Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice within two seconds of encountering the boy, was deemed “unfit for duty” while serving on another police force. Supervisors specifically cited his “dismal” handgun performance and emotional instability when they forced him to resign in December 2012."<br /><br />"Officer Timothy Loehmann, who killed Tamir Rice on 22 November, was specifically faulted for breaking down emotionally while handling a live gun. During a training episode at a firing range, Loehmann was reported to be “distracted and weepy” and incommunicative. “His handgun performance was dismal,” deputy chief Jim Polak of the Independence, Ohio, police department wrote in an internal memo."<br /><br />"Loehmann should never have been able to find a job in law enforcement after his spectacular wash-out at Independence.<br />The Cincinnati Police Department failed to vet Loehmann adequately, and we can only wonder if this isn’t just the tip of the iceberg.<br />Heads need to roll in Cincinnati."<br /><br />http://bearingarms.com/cop-shot-tamir-rice-forced-previous-job-crying-handling-gun/<br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81563192083318153862014-12-04T07:49:59.501+01:002014-12-04T07:49:59.501+01:00Anonymous, you've got ssgmarkcr wrong. Kurt a...Anonymous, you've got ssgmarkcr wrong. Kurt and TS could learn from him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-64643181129864885152014-12-02T14:10:48.365+01:002014-12-02T14:10:48.365+01:00"The video shows the cops driving up fast, ju..."The video shows the cops driving up fast, jumping out of the car already shooting."<br /><br /> I do believe you may be right Mike. Looking at the video again, I don't see how you could squeeze in two verbal warnings in the short time frame. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36131274663755993972014-12-02T12:40:16.240+01:002014-12-02T12:40:16.240+01:00The video shows the cops driving up fast, jumping ...The video shows the cops driving up fast, jumping out of the car already shooting. How can you say there's no way to tell?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57538878328674167112014-11-29T14:32:39.452+01:002014-11-29T14:32:39.452+01:00The master liar has spoken. The master liar has spoken. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58422477225631127432014-11-29T11:00:12.869+01:002014-11-29T11:00:12.869+01:00There is no way to tell that Mike. There is no sou...There is no way to tell that Mike. There is no sound on the video.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71761058977783143062014-11-29T08:35:06.644+01:002014-11-29T08:35:06.644+01:00The video shows that the cops are lying when they ...The video shows that the cops are lying when they say the warned the kid twice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62663891718952122292014-11-28T06:19:06.472+01:002014-11-28T06:19:06.472+01:00Like the video I cited was not for all to see? Like the video I cited was not for all to see? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-125682429239864302014-11-26T23:42:41.360+01:002014-11-26T23:42:41.360+01:00Well, the video has been released for all to see. ...Well, the video has been released for all to see. <br /><br />http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-cleveland-police-shooting-video-20141126-story.htmlssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10227077239773191532014-11-26T18:30:02.787+01:002014-11-26T18:30:02.787+01:00The article I cited says that's not true.The article I cited says that's not true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32914989950087578092014-11-26T17:16:11.520+01:002014-11-26T17:16:11.520+01:00"Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams annou..."Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams announced Tuesday that the video of the shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice will be released Wednesday at 1 p.m."<br /><br />"In the statement, Samaria Rice and Leonard Warner, Tamir Rice's parents, ask that police release the full video of Saturday's shooting at the Cudell Recreation Center on Cleveland's west side.<br />"We feel the actions of the patrol officer who took our son’s life must be made public," the statement reads. "It is our prayer and request for citizens in the City of Cleveland and throughout Northeast Ohio to remain calm at this time. We ask for the public to demonstrate peacefully."<br /><br />http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/tamir-rice-12-year-old-shot-dead-by-police-asks-police-to-release-full-video-asks-for-privacyssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2201970134910109142014-11-26T15:18:32.796+01:002014-11-26T15:18:32.796+01:00What I've repeatedly pointed out is how you gu...<i>What I've repeatedly pointed out is how you guys use the word loosely, sometimes to conjure up the nightmare scene of government thugs kicking in your door at night . . . </i><br /><br />I'm not interested in what you <i>infer</i> that we "conjure up." If it's not what we explicitly <i>say</i>, you have no case for dishonesty on our parts.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33976182137124451222014-11-26T14:21:01.653+01:002014-11-26T14:21:01.653+01:00"when gun rights advocates say "ban,&quo..."when gun rights advocates say "ban," they're "lying," unless they're describing an all out"<br /><br />Well, it depends. At times I suppose. What I've repeatedly pointed out is how you guys use the word loosely, sometimes to conjure up the nightmare scene of government thugs kicking in your door at night and sometimes to simply mean a prohibition of a particular weapon.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-80027385986736001312014-11-25T21:37:56.959+01:002014-11-25T21:37:56.959+01:00From what I've read so far Anon, when the offi... From what I've read so far Anon, when the officers approached Tamir, they told him to put up his hands. His response was to pull the airsoft gun from his waistband. <br /> No matter what your race, if you do what Tamir did, you're likely to get shot. There is even video of the event that has been reviewed and shown to representatives of the family.<br /> ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15434133938669890682014-11-25T21:24:01.856+01:002014-11-25T21:24:01.856+01:00Read the Huffpo article I cited below. Read the Huffpo article I cited below. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23921647370275589032014-11-24T18:48:52.567+01:002014-11-24T18:48:52.567+01:00http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/tamir-ric...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/tamir-rice-boy-shot-cleveland-police_n_6211064.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21271170403011428832014-11-24T18:34:03.073+01:002014-11-24T18:34:03.073+01:00Read the comment Anon. The report said he was wav...Read the comment Anon. The report said he was waving the gun and pointing it at people. A far cry from carrying holstered. <br /> Sounds like this might get messy. Apparently its now coming out that the 911 caller said the gun looked fake, but wasn't sure and that didn't get passed on to the responding officers.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1712506337028181372014-11-24T17:42:46.575+01:002014-11-24T17:42:46.575+01:00But you gun loons say people should not be calling...But you gun loons say people should not be calling 911 just because someone is in public with a gun. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19407332801268350012014-11-24T17:40:21.476+01:002014-11-24T17:40:21.476+01:00A criminal like you would. A criminal like you would. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com