tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5832929556509482295..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Paranoid and Insecure Gun Rights Fanatics - A Punch to the Head is Potential Deadly Force Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45282853120572775042014-12-12T19:39:25.932+01:002014-12-12T19:39:25.932+01:00Just wondering because that's not what has bee...Just wondering because that's not what has been said by gun loons as the individual cases get posted, but then hypocrisy is not new to you dishonest gun loons. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11812344348115643732014-12-11T20:27:55.749+01:002014-12-11T20:27:55.749+01:00"Well, for one thing, it's the infrequenc..."Well, for one thing, it's the infrequency with which they happen."<br /><br /> Infrequency indeed. Considering the not very imaginative attempts of the VPC to inflate the numbers of their "study", I would want to see some sort of documentation that proves it was indeed a .50BMG firearm. <br /> And to think that based on an almost complete absence of crimes committed over the long term by these firearms, California and the country's crime capitol the District of Columbia have gone to the trouble of banning them.<br /> Its laudable that the Barrett Company has done its part to eliminate the scourge of .50BMG rifles in California by vowing not to provide service to ANY of their .50BMG firearms in that state owned by the government.<br /> And of course, they developed a much safer and law abiding round known as the .416 Barrett.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24342513364640058902014-12-11T20:25:06.692+01:002014-12-11T20:25:06.692+01:00Exactly, Kurt. I've also been saying that for...Exactly, Kurt. I've also been saying that for years, and as recently as a month or so ago I looked into it again and found the Wickizer case on Sugarmann's list. After a little bit of research, it is safe for me to continue to make the claim that no one has died from a .50BMG round in this country. Had the story not been another Sugarmann inflation, I would change my line to "one person has died..." and my point would remain unchanged. It is almost as silly to ban every weapon chambered in a round used for one death, as it is for no deaths, especially when the round's properties are immaterial to the circumstances of the death.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17756262997754349722014-12-11T19:15:55.866+01:002014-12-11T19:15:55.866+01:00AnonymousDecember 10, 2014 at 10:51 PM
"&quo...<br /><br />AnonymousDecember 10, 2014 at 10:51 PM<br /><br />""We've"?<br />Do all you gun loons agree with that?"<br /><br />Ummm, yup, pretty much, yup.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-4250056138969251392014-12-11T16:51:53.073+01:002014-12-11T16:51:53.073+01:00The post is about one-punch deaths.
I realize tha...<i>The post is about one-punch deaths.</i><br /><br />I realize that, but I think it's an artificial distinction. Whether one's violent assailant punches you, kicks you, strangles you, etc., armed self-defense against that assailant is equally justifiable. Likewise, whether it takes one punch to kill you, or several, the justifiability of armed self-defense against a violent brute is unchanged.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84080401418751179312014-12-11T16:51:34.682+01:002014-12-11T16:51:34.682+01:00No, it's Josh Sugarmann's lie. I just sho...No, it's Josh Sugarmann's lie. I just showed you how there is no evidence Wickizer used a .50BMG. And what about all the others? Shouldn't Sugarmann's list have a bunch of other .50BMG deaths that are confirmed?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70971816298138837852014-12-11T16:40:39.410+01:002014-12-11T16:40:39.410+01:00Kurt, your contentiousness knows no bounds.
"...Kurt, your contentiousness knows no bounds.<br /><br />"I would, by the way, question why we should limit this discussion to death by punch"<br /><br />The post is about one-punch deaths. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-92153608977072884652014-12-11T16:33:17.950+01:002014-12-11T16:33:17.950+01:00It's TS who keeps repeating the lie.
Ah--agai...<i>It's TS who keeps repeating the lie.</i><br /><br />Ah--again with the "lie" accusation. I'm starting to think you just can't help yourself. <br /><br />Do you care to address the enormous amount of doubt swirling around the notion that the one homicide mentioned here was <i>really</i> committed with a .50 BMG rifle, rather than something vastly less powerful, and almost certainly never to be banned?<br /><br />But even if Wickizer, against all odds, really <i>did</i> use a .50 BMG rifle, it seems to me that TS's statement would be far more likely to have been a mistake, rather than a "lie."<br /><br />That murder happened in 2013. I started pointing out the fact that there have been no domestic deaths attributed to .50 BMG fire <a href="http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/2006/09/50-caliber-hyperbole.html" rel="nofollow">in 2006</a>:<br /><br /><i>This, despite the fact that since Ronnie Barrett first started producing these rifles in the 1980's, there have been exactly zero documented deaths in the U.S. attributed to .50 BMG rifle fire</i><br /><br />I'd think it would be a very understandable mistake to not catch that one (quite dubious) exception that finally (may have, but probably didn't) happened in 2013.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39367260950742991412014-12-11T13:14:54.451+01:002014-12-11T13:14:54.451+01:00"So yep, Kurt is incorrect, there has been on..."So yep, Kurt is incorrect, there has been one death attributed to the .50BMG in these 22 some years."<br /><br />It's TS who keeps repeating the lie.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49607668501618428872014-12-10T22:51:39.135+01:002014-12-10T22:51:39.135+01:00"We've"?
Do all you gun loons agree ..."We've"?<br />Do all you gun loons agree with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60629373601448189452014-12-10T21:09:33.078+01:002014-12-10T21:09:33.078+01:00That’s what I saw too, Kurt. There is no definiti...That’s what I saw too, Kurt. There is no definitive confirmation of the type of rifle. One news source said “.50 caliber”, while others just said “rifle”. Black powder or .50 Beowulf are far more likely than .50BMG which at shot to the neck at that range may have separated his head from his body (which you think would have made huge headlines). Plus Mr. Wickizer doesn’t seem like a man with the means to be able to afford a $5,000+ rifle that costs about 5 bucks per shot considering he lived in a trailer park (and Mike just had that post about how trailer park = poor). Additionally, we need to consider that it may not have even been .50 caliber at all, considering that the news media has a track record of reporting information on guns horribly wrong. Imagine how many deaths by machine gun Sugarmann can claim by counting every newspaper report that says “automatic rifle”. I’d probably say it was a .50cal black powder muzzle loader deer hunting rifle (near the bottom of all the gun-banners ‘to be banned’ list), which is quite common in Pennsylvania since there is a special muzzleloader hunting season.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29810989779230833742014-12-10T17:32:39.899+01:002014-12-10T17:32:39.899+01:00What kind of .50 was it?
I can't find a sourc...<i>What kind of .50 was it?</i><br /><br />I can't find a source more authoritative than comments on news stories about the murder, but those comments say that it was a black powder rifle. Given Wickizer's previous felony conviction for arson, that would be the type of .50 caliber he could legally purchase. That, of course, does not rule out the possibility of his having acquired a .50 BMG rifle illegally, but I've seen no mention of Wickizer having faced felon in possession charges.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2961364655507815162014-12-10T17:15:20.025+01:002014-12-10T17:15:20.025+01:00FYI, the Wickizer case wasn't a .50BMG.
Not t...<i>FYI, the Wickizer case wasn't a .50BMG.</i><br /><br />Not to mention that at that range, a <i>.22</i> to the neck could easily have been fatal--a .50 caliber ban would have done <i>nothing</i> to prevent that murder.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-65478667842961658162014-12-10T15:06:03.636+01:002014-12-10T15:06:03.636+01:00"FYI, the Wickizer case wasn't a .50BMG. ..."FYI, the Wickizer case wasn't a .50BMG. "<br /><br /> What kind of .50 was it? I was trying to picture someone holding a Barrett on someone and it didn't seem like something you could do for long. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57536563347986016542014-12-09T23:45:46.223+01:002014-12-09T23:45:46.223+01:00We've covered that scenario before, anti-anony...We've covered that scenario before, anti-anonymous, and have explained that in a scenario like that the shooter would be properly charged with anything from manslaughter to murder depending on additional circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-66516043420313839312014-12-09T23:13:44.256+01:002014-12-09T23:13:44.256+01:00Another great example, TS.Another great example, TS.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-44443251103504391742014-12-09T21:23:43.658+01:002014-12-09T21:23:43.658+01:00"Watch Kurtie try and massage the figures.&qu..."Watch Kurtie try and massage the figures."<br /><br /> Not much massaging needed Jade considering that its a VPC "study" we're talking about.<br /><br /> The "study" goes back to '92, lets round down to 22 years. Once we eliminate the crimes that didn't even happen in the US (Mexico), in that 22 years, it looks like the rifles were actually fired criminally seven times resulting in one death. You can increase that to eight times if you include the nefarious group that started a wildfire by shooting at a stump.<br /> So yep, Kurt is incorrect, there has been one death attributed to the .50BMG in these 22 some years. I'm surprised Baldr hasn't noticed that they sell them in Walmart as evidenced by this incriminating video,<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCmt4cf8YTs<br /><br />ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30944801188455103082014-12-09T20:51:30.186+01:002014-12-09T20:51:30.186+01:00"Used in a crime" and "owned by cri..."Used in a crime" and "owned by criminals" does not equal death, Jade. I sure tire of your specious answers.<br /><br />FYI, the Wickizer case wasn't a .50BMG. Not all .50 caliber rounds are BMG, but don't expect Josh Sugarmann to care.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48738760344214621312014-12-09T20:42:14.646+01:002014-12-09T20:42:14.646+01:00Watch Kurtie try and massage the figures.Watch Kurtie try and massage the figures.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41700202029785020592014-12-09T20:35:48.429+01:002014-12-09T20:35:48.429+01:00https://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm
There's n...https://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm<br /><br />There's never been any deaths in the US attributed to nuclear weapons, either.<br /><br />Don't you tire of such specious arguments?Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84796540464947975872014-12-09T19:05:45.597+01:002014-12-09T19:05:45.597+01:00And how about the non-frequency of deaths by .50BM...And how about the <b>non</b>-frequency of deaths by .50BMG chambered weapons, which has never happened in this country (mike doesn't seem to believe this)? It's gotta be paranoid to want to ban that.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-3978644039937323862014-12-09T17:26:36.479+01:002014-12-09T17:26:36.479+01:00Oh, and about that "infrequency"--since ...Oh, and about that "infrequency"--since <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8" rel="nofollow">more people are killed with "personal weapons"</a> (fists and feet--and that's <i>before</i> adding in strangulation) than with <i>all</i> long guns (of which so-called "assault weapons" are only a subset), would that make it "paranoid," "insecure," and "fanatic[al]" to advocate banning "assault weapons"?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22692995729939580562014-12-09T17:07:31.319+01:002014-12-09T17:07:31.319+01:00It's also exceedingly rare to die from a choke...It's also exceedingly rare to die from a choke hold, but that gives no consolation to the family of Eric Garner or the ensuing angry mob.<br /><br />Kurt: " Should I submit to a concussion (and the attendant possibility of long term brain damage--perhaps severe enough to cause me to advocate "gun control")"<br /><br />Nice snark!TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16339595849688273182014-12-09T17:00:43.217+01:002014-12-09T17:00:43.217+01:00You're repeating yourself, Kurt. You already m...<i>You're repeating yourself, Kurt. You already mentioned the non-deadly punches.</i><br /><br />Not sure what you mean. Where, apart <a href="http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2014/12/paranoid-and-insecure-gun-rights.html?showComment=1418079432801#c6726038749957989" rel="nofollow">from here</a>, did I "mention non-deadly punches"?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47401519799892376442014-12-09T14:18:10.968+01:002014-12-09T14:18:10.968+01:00My outrage is for idiot gun loons like you who pro...My outrage is for idiot gun loons like you who promote gun shot deaths. By the way, if you initiate the violence (a fist fight) but then find your opponent is much better and getting the better of you, do you have the right to shoot to kill?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com