tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post6675329379381513167..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: The Cost of Proper Gun Free ZonesAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56130216907382940602012-04-17T16:53:11.636+02:002012-04-17T16:53:11.636+02:00A drug abuser isn't a lawful gun owner, and an...A drug abuser isn't a lawful gun owner, and an intent to kill isn't a lawful purpose. How does a sign prevent someone from committing multiple murders in a "gun-free zone"? How does that work?<br /><br />Do you imagine that many of us who carry guns are just hanging on the edge of a breakdown, but are still trying to be legal? That's the only way that your claim can make any sense. The evidence doesn't support that. What it comes down to is that these signs make you feel good without any justification for that good feeling.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61090887127855762102012-04-17T16:41:09.786+02:002012-04-17T16:41:09.786+02:00Why not acknowledge that the number is a tiny few ...Why not acknowledge that the number is a tiny few and that these signs don't stop them, as you demonstrate by the news articles that you post? A sign stops no dangerous person, and safe people don't need those signs.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23482816629835339532012-04-17T11:59:52.690+02:002012-04-17T11:59:52.690+02:00Greg said, "You seem to be under the delusion...Greg said, "You seem to be under the delusion that those of us who carry handguns are violent people with a thin veneer of legality spread over us."<br /><br />Not all of you, Greg, but some, yes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40297461835257969842012-04-17T11:58:02.599+02:002012-04-17T11:58:02.599+02:00Yes, signs do prevent the law-abiding from carryin...Yes, signs do prevent the law-abiding from carrying guns in gun free zones, including those who have problems with drugs, alcohol and rage, including those who can't handle being fired from their jobs or from being turned down by a girlfriend.<br /><br />Yes, gun free zones prevent many tragedies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17765677746066184692012-04-17T08:56:30.524+02:002012-04-17T08:56:30.524+02:00Yes, because I'm not talking about the occasio...Yes, because I'm not talking about the occasional shootings like VA Tech that make big headlines, I'm talking about the DAILY shootings that so-called lawful gun owners do that cost two or three lives at a time.<br /><br />Gun free campuses are free of those and they add up to much more that the VA Techs and the Columbines.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56540819246395491132012-04-17T03:04:19.052+02:002012-04-17T03:04:19.052+02:00"It happens every day, but not in gun free zo...<i>"It happens every day, but not in gun free zones."</i><br /><br />Are you seriously going to go with that statement on the anniversary of Virginia Tech?FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27802416362068651392012-04-16T18:46:16.481+02:002012-04-16T18:46:16.481+02:00"Bullshit. Your assertion is demonstrably unt..."Bullshit. Your assertion is demonstrably untrue."<br /><br />So these school shootings we hear about are all fake?<br /><br />Do you really believe a sign prevents people from carrying guns?<br /><br />Do you really?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34821445714961019142012-04-16T18:30:35.023+02:002012-04-16T18:30:35.023+02:00You're referring to me, I take it. What's...You're referring to me, I take it. What's to stop a teacher or a janitor from bringing a gun to school? You're avoiding answering that question. The mere presence of a sign telling people not to carry a weapon only works with those who follow the law.<br /><br />You seem to be under the delusion that those of us who carry handguns are violent people with a thin veneer of legality spread over us. Look at the record of concealed carry license holders. Despite your attempts to smear us, you can't find evidence that even one percent of us commit crimes with our guns.<br /><br />Guns do not magically turn otherwise sane people into monsters. You're going to tell me that a gun makes someone who snaps better able to cause mayhem, but that reveals your belief about human nature. That shows that you think all of us to be on the verge of snapping.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34599981127524904672012-04-16T17:10:14.678+02:002012-04-16T17:10:14.678+02:00Greg the teachers and janitors would have guns. W...Greg the teachers and janitors would have guns. Whenever one of them cracks up, people would get hurt. It happens every day, but not in gun free zones.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52790231355659807382012-04-16T15:40:35.167+02:002012-04-16T15:40:35.167+02:00Exactly. Anyone who disarms me takes on the moral...Exactly. Anyone who disarms me takes on the moral responsibility for my safety and should also be legally responsible. If I get injured or killed by a violent attack in a gun-free zone, the owner of that zone, be it a business or a government entity, ought to have to pay.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-63643596623055948152012-04-16T15:38:50.672+02:002012-04-16T15:38:50.672+02:00And yet, we see reports here and elsewhere about p...And yet, we see reports here and elsewhere about people who take guns into gun-free zones. How can that be? You are correct to say that school shootings are rare. I'd love to see the numbers on the subject, but I suspect that educated people tend to commit fewer violent crimes than other groups in our society. But a gun-free zone isn't a magic shield, and many campuses are wide open.<br /><br />Democommie, where's the lie in what I just wrote? Again, I'll leave and never return if you can prove that I have lied--made a statement that I knew to be false.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61321953058231042482012-04-16T15:32:31.567+02:002012-04-16T15:32:31.567+02:00How does a gun-free zone prevent the scenario that...How does a gun-free zone prevent the scenario that you described? Let's say that a lawful gun owner with a clean record goes nuts. Is he going to care about a sign? Is he going to say, "The voices in my head tell me to shoot up the school, but the sign tells me to stop"?<br /><br />Or could it be that we're not the ticking bombs that you think us to be? Could it be that we're sane, that we're responsible, and that we don't go nuts anywhere nearly as often as you think?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59963595172973551362012-04-16T14:17:12.409+02:002012-04-16T14:17:12.409+02:00"GFZ have never been "gun free".&qu..."GFZ have never been "gun free"."<br /><br />Bullshit. Your assertion is demonstrably untrue. I've put the numbers up, on this blog, not long ago. Millions of students, teachers, administrators and other staff are in schools K-12 and on college, university and vocational school campii. The number of them killed or wounded by gunz in any year is far lower than the number of children shot, wounded or killed in their OWN homes by a family member or playmate using a readily available, often loaded handgun.<br /><br />When you and your gunzloonzpalz like Greg Camp stop telling blatant lies in order to push your agenda then perhaps you get some respect for arguing in good faith. I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19557140076437821462012-04-16T14:15:32.062+02:002012-04-16T14:15:32.062+02:00Finally, common sense gun legislation.
You have a...Finally, common sense gun legislation.<br /><br />You have always taken the position and even just posted a story where the opinion is that we do not need to carry guns because we have police. This just reinforces that notion. If you are going to remove the ability for people to defend themselves, you have to provide adequate security. Simple. Why would you oppose this?FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40469978004264812152012-04-16T12:24:02.611+02:002012-04-16T12:24:02.611+02:00Since you can't prove a negative, I'm gonn...Since you can't prove a negative, I'm gonna take a wild guess. Gun free zones on college campuses have prevented many shootings from ever having happened. Those are the ones that are done by guys like you who are lawful gun owners with clean records and suddenly go off the deep end and shoot up the joint.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38627325382758199112012-04-16T07:20:54.569+02:002012-04-16T07:20:54.569+02:00GFZ have never been "gun free". Again cr...GFZ have never been "gun free". Again criminals don't follow the law. All the school shootings prove that these signs only prevent law abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves. You want truly gun free zones then this is the cost otherwise all you are creating is "unarmed victim zones".Scott Henrichsnoreply@blogger.com