tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post689506472441209612..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Tennessee Church Shooter SentencedAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7996216452952425912009-02-14T13:28:00.000+01:002009-02-14T13:28:00.000+01:00Nowhere, Nomen. Maybe I put the cart before the h...Nowhere, Nomen. Maybe I put the cart before the horse.<BR/><BR/>I'm deeply wary of the "mental rehabilitation" system, becuase it's both deeply expensive, and 100% unprofitable by natutre. This means it's run by the State, and so the State (who are NOT Psychiatrists) calls the shots.<BR/><BR/>Overall if a released convict or inpatient is not somebody you'd willingly invite into your house, something is broken with the system. Because even if they aren't sleeping in your house, or living on your street, they're living on SOMEBODY'S street.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19900914572487184072009-02-13T21:22:00.000+01:002009-02-13T21:22:00.000+01:00'course not, weerd. where'd you get this seeming n...'course not, weerd. where'd you get this seeming notion that i want to go <I>easy</I> on him? far from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34745631822521100922009-02-13T21:02:00.000+01:002009-02-13T21:02:00.000+01:00"either one will do for the purpose of keeping Adk..."either one will do for the purpose of keeping Adkisson and his ilk out of general society."<BR/><BR/>For the time being. But what about when he gets out? Would you let him spend the night in your house?Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-46638616078943135612009-02-13T18:59:00.000+01:002009-02-13T18:59:00.000+01:00Presuming he owned the shotgun legally and previou...Presuming he owned the shotgun legally and previously had been a law-abiding citizen, on the day of the shooting he became part of the "flow."<BR/><BR/>Liberty involves risk. I understand that one of the risks of my freedoms is that someone with no previous record of violence might buy a gun and decide to commit a crime.<BR/><BR/>In this country we presume innocent rather than pass laws a priori with the assumption that folks will break the law.<BR/><BR/>All men have the equipment for rape, all women have the equipment for prostitution. A small percentage of each will use that equipment criminally.<BR/><BR/>There's simply no way to mitigate risk without restricting the liberty of everyone else. This is a terrible story, but it's no justification whatsoever for restricting my Constitutionally protected freedoms.<BR/><BR/>How do you restrict the flow of guns to "previously law-abiding citizens" without resticting the rest of the population? It's impossible.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75405525575457522802009-02-13T16:07:00.000+01:002009-02-13T16:07:00.000+01:00weerd, my main concern is that he be incarcerated....weerd, my main concern is that he be <I>incarcerated.</I> how and where is of considerably less concern to me; prison, psych ward, the two are not much different in my eyes --- either one will do for the purpose of keeping Adkisson and his ilk out of general society.<BR/><BR/>but yeah, between prison wardens and psychiatrists, i do trust the wardens more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24031704683437463252009-02-13T15:35:00.000+01:002009-02-13T15:35:00.000+01:00I have an idea that will solve multiple problems a...I have an idea that will solve multiple problems at once.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Let's still lock up all the criminals in prison but we need to do something about unemployment.<BR/><BR/>So, let's put all the unemployed in school to be psychiatrists. Increase jobs in education;both elementary - might have to teach them to read & higher education - college. Then once they graduate they can work in the prisons...make it a one on one assignment to turn all those mis-guided, abused victims of society into productive members of society.<BR/><BR/>Bam! Unemployment resolved, recidivism resolved, over crowding in jails resolved, abuse in homes resolved (because they won't get out and have kids that they raise like they were raised).Bob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15882819735831651314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29793765748957651922009-02-13T15:11:00.000+01:002009-02-13T15:11:00.000+01:00BTW Nomen, did you notice that you just gave a vot...BTW Nomen, did you notice that you just gave a vote of confidence for Mental Health incarceration...then a vote of no-confidence on the Doctors that supposably are in charge (of course I'd say Polititions call the final shots, as they hold the purse strings)Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71594151587320991432009-02-13T15:09:00.000+01:002009-02-13T15:09:00.000+01:00...Unless their govenment funding tells them other......Unless their govenment funding tells them otherwise....Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74931288381166142802009-02-13T13:50:00.000+01:002009-02-13T13:50:00.000+01:00i can't speak for mike, but myself, i'd be more th...i can't speak for mike, but myself, i'd be more than willing to see him locked up in a mental hospital until the headshrinkers deem him sane --- regardless of how long or short a time that was.<BR/><BR/>(of course, based on my experiences with psych docs, i'm privately convinced they don't consider <I>anyone</I> to be "sane", <I>ever.</I>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76053485235319729982009-02-13T12:08:00.000+01:002009-02-13T12:08:00.000+01:00Mike,Jim Adkisson seems crazy by your standards......Mike,<BR/><BR/>Jim Adkisson seems crazy by your standards...are you willing to see him spend a year or two in a mental hospital then go free?Bob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15882819735831651314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33827611309706570382009-02-13T08:37:00.000+01:002009-02-13T08:37:00.000+01:00It's a good point that Weer'd brings up. "And then...It's a good point that Weer'd brings up. <I>"And then there's the stupidity of a bunch of (left wing) people attempting to blame the action of a crazy person on those acts."</I><BR/><BR/>This is exactly the same sticking point we discover with all the personal responsibility discussions we've had about the murderers. My bleeding-heart often finds excuses for them, while some of you say, they did the crime they have to pay the price.<BR/><BR/>Well in this case, we have an unhinged man who killed people for what he said in his own words is some kind of cause. And it's the same cause that those rightie talk-radio guys espouse, only more smoothly and more politically acceptable, at times, just barely.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70400235430127955942009-02-13T05:26:00.000+01:002009-02-13T05:26:00.000+01:00I don't recall hearing right wing commentators cal...<I>I don't recall hearing right wing commentators call for unlawful harm to lefties</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=ann+coulter+new+york+times+building&btnG=Search" REL="nofollow">read.</A><BR><BR/><A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?q=michael+reagan+i%27ll+pay+for+the+bullet&btnG=Search" REL="nofollow">read.</A><BR><BR/><BR/>or, hell, try to take the advice i keep trying to give bob, and go <A HREF="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-america-i.html" REL="nofollow">read</A>. it's not as if right-wing eliminationism is new or secret or obscure --- that last link is part one in a series of ten, after all --- you just have to be willing to admit to yourself that it exists. but that seems to be more than y'all are capable of...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-82591209171463718972009-02-13T05:13:00.000+01:002009-02-13T05:13:00.000+01:00Nomen it isn't hate speech if it doesn't say, fair...Nomen <I>it isn't hate speech if it doesn't say, fairly explicitly, "this (or these) person(s) ought to be (attacked, killed, hurt in some way unlawfully)".<BR/><BR/>thing is, that sort of thing spouts out of the mouths of right-wing bloviators fairly routinely. us lefties? not so much, no.</I><BR/><BR/>REALLY? I don't recall hearing right wing commentators call for unlawful harm to lefties. Not like MR who says right-wingers should be rounded up and put in boxcars. And taken where? Previously he said to detainment camps. He has also called for the assassination of Bush --while admitting he didn't personally believe in gun-use, however.Barbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016832868807957194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-4264240045093990902009-02-13T05:09:00.000+01:002009-02-13T05:09:00.000+01:00Don't forget Bill Maher --scorn personified --and ...Don't forget Bill Maher --scorn personified --and scorn is the first cousin of hate.Barbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016832868807957194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36535583229114364402009-02-13T05:07:00.000+01:002009-02-13T05:07:00.000+01:00Tolerance is a learned virtue, yet many in a socie...<I>Tolerance is a learned virtue, yet many in a society missed those lessons in their formative years. Hate is more easily taught than tolerance.</I><BR/><BR/>Couldn't agree with you more, Mudrake. <BR/><BR/>The right wing pundits are balance to the newspaper editorialists and the left wingers like Olbermann who, IMO, is the worst of the vitriolic ones on TV. I don't like O'reilly's bad interrupting tactic --and Rush is overly blustery for my tastes --but conservatives were starved for years to hear people who articulated what they thought about the liberal mindset. <BR/><BR/>I don't think most of the conservatives are "hateful" either --just because they point out how hateful --and championing of irresponsibility the people are on the left.Barbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016832868807957194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-55989803667454071492009-02-12T19:03:00.000+01:002009-02-12T19:03:00.000+01:00"The novel was initially only available through ma..."The novel was initially only available through mail order and at gun shows,"<BR/><BR/>Right. Because the book was written in 1978. Just a few years before the internet. <BR/><BR/>One would think that w/ the increased availability, that extremist actions related to it would increase. <BR/><BR/>Just like CCW creating "Wild West Shootouts", that hasn't happened either.Thirdpowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02886910076400873900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86522052696053239162009-02-12T15:34:00.000+01:002009-02-12T15:34:00.000+01:00Nomen, you must be picking and choosing your lefti...Nomen, you must be picking and choosing your lefties like I pick-and-choose my Righties.<BR/><BR/>I won't lie the more obnoxious right-wing commentators (Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck, Coltier, ect) don't get my ear very often. Tho I do seek out Olbermann, Wright, Helmke, Miller et al as oposition research.<BR/><BR/>Still I must say the feild is fairly even. There's a few firebrands on one side, a few on the other, a bunch of moderates in between, and very few people calling for actual crimes.<BR/><BR/>And then there's the stupidity of a bunch of (left wing) people attempting to blame the action of a crazy person on those acts.<BR/><BR/>Shameful.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40901613063279159032009-02-12T14:04:00.000+01:002009-02-12T14:04:00.000+01:00i'd nearly agree with that, bob. it isn't hate spe...i'd nearly agree with that, bob. it isn't hate speech if it doesn't at least encourage people to commit crimes; it isn't hate speech if it doesn't say, fairly explicitly, "this (or these) person(s) ought to be (attacked, killed, hurt in some way unlawfully)".<BR/><BR/>thing is, that sort of thing spouts out of the mouths of right-wing bloviators fairly routinely. us lefties? not so much, no.<BR/><BR/>heck, Dave Neiwert at <A HREF="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Orcinus</A> has made something of a blogging name for himself documenting this sort of thing. you want evidence, he's got kilobyte upon kilobyte of it.<BR/><BR/>'course, i've pointed you at Neiwert's work before, bob, back when you were all gung-ho about the hate-monger Jonah Goldberg. wonder if you'll actually <I>read</I> him this time...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-637123753166141452009-02-12T12:07:00.000+01:002009-02-12T12:07:00.000+01:00Mike,So, you are saying it isn't "hate speech" if ...Mike,<BR/><BR/>So, you are saying it isn't "hate speech" if nobody is trying to actively "kill" the people the hate speech is directed at?Bob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15882819735831651314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38097168915238164032009-02-12T11:50:00.000+01:002009-02-12T11:50:00.000+01:00Ummm, so you're saying right-wing motivated killi...Ummm, so you're saying right-wing motivated killings are MORE common than left wing ones?<BR/><BR/>I'd say both are exceedingly rare...I bet you don't have anything to back that whopper up, Mike...Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18453879531361908492009-02-12T10:55:00.000+01:002009-02-12T10:55:00.000+01:00One difference is that left wing people, however p...One difference is that left wing people, however passionate, stopped trying to kill their opponents about four decades ago. That shit went out with the Weathermen. I'm afraid the righties never stopped. This kook is just the latest, and by the sound of his writings, the most virulent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-54063724961799723722009-02-12T03:44:00.000+01:002009-02-12T03:44:00.000+01:00Nomen,Care to show how they aren't comparable?Nomen,<BR/><BR/>Care to show how they aren't comparable?Bob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15882819735831651314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48678769805662230882009-02-12T02:33:00.000+01:002009-02-12T02:33:00.000+01:00Yes I amYes I amWeer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72743812633853765802009-02-12T00:05:00.000+01:002009-02-12T00:05:00.000+01:00weerd, are you seriously trying to claim Keith Olb...weerd, are you seriously trying to claim <I>Keith Olbermann</I> is even vaguely comparable in vitriol or hatefulness to rush limbaugh?! if so, what languages do those pundits pontificate in on your planet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38751233415480254622009-02-11T23:31:00.000+01:002009-02-11T23:31:00.000+01:00Don't forget Olbermann, Helmke, And Bryon Miller.A...Don't forget Olbermann, Helmke, And Bryon Miller.<BR/><BR/>All of them have just as much freedom of speech, despite the hateful/ignorant nature of what they say.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.com