tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post7043408843524162644..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Prohibition: The Gunloon's Favorite Flawed AnalogyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90231645503572151272010-10-01T16:19:54.642+02:002010-10-01T16:19:54.642+02:00Again, I'm fairly certain I've mentioned t...Again, I'm fairly certain I've mentioned this before....<br /><br />How they fared in the battle, although interesting, was of no consequence to this discussion.<br /><br />The point was and remains that the Jewish resistance used these improvised weapons to get more weapons, better weapons.<br /><br />This was never a discussion about whether such an action was a noble cause, or whether such an action was a great example of armed resistance against a superior force. No one made those claims, except Guy, in an effort to derail the conversation--which ultimately, he seems to have done, since we are still discussing it.<br /><br />The only reason the Warsaw ghetto uprising was brought up was that it was a perfect example of using "zipguns" to procure better weapons. Something that Laci claimed he couldn't figure out. So I offered this historical event as evidence of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-13123235169439361192010-10-01T10:53:01.499+02:002010-10-01T10:53:01.499+02:00> It's adolescent nonsense that affects man...> It's adolescent nonsense that affects many male gun owners.<br /><br />Actually, it's a normal psychological phenomenon that <a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-playing-field/200804/why-we-love-losers" rel="nofollow">applies to all of humanity</a>.<br /><br />Well, all of humanity except the jaded hoplophobists. That's the intellectual-sounding nonsense term I just made up to represent you and Guy Cabot.Van Dykehttp://www.houdinitribute.com/img/elgravebig.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35615488239018605862010-10-01T09:05:43.479+02:002010-10-01T09:05:43.479+02:00Jadefool's Biggest Cheerleader:Gun owners seem...Jadefool's Biggest Cheerleader:<br><br><i>Gun owners seem to love this particular fantasy . . . </i><br><br>Um . . . this "fantasy" <i>actually happened</i>.<br /><br />Speaking of mental illness . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-4223049896620245372010-10-01T08:53:26.000+02:002010-10-01T08:53:26.000+02:00The Warsaw Ghetto story is one that supports the m...The Warsaw Ghetto story is one that supports the mental illness called <i>grandiose victimism.</i><br /><br />Gun owners seem to love this particular fantasy, the underdog corageously fighting to the death for a noble cause. <br /><br />It's adolescent nonsense that affects many male gun owners.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1744674190929656592010-09-30T23:22:48.052+02:002010-09-30T23:22:48.052+02:00"And the weapons in question were pretty much..."And the weapons in question were pretty much useless..."<br /><br />To some extent, that would expected. However, the point was and remains that the Jewish resistance used these improvised weapons to get more weapons, better weapons.<br /><br />That was the entire point.<br /><br />How they fared in the battle, although interesting, was of no consequence to this discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-28792584122045309432010-09-30T22:26:00.170+02:002010-09-30T22:26:00.170+02:00"This is a really bizarre comment to me since..."This is a really bizarre comment to me since I want to know how zipgun guy is going to "procure a better gun"????"<br /><br />You use the zip gun against the guy with the better gun, ideally some government stooge dumb or brave enough to stray away from his herd. <br /><br />And in the US, every police car is essentially a poorly secured armory on wheels. Just smash and grab. You can get a shotgun, rifle, and maybe even a pistol.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91252829640487577892010-09-30T22:01:07.668+02:002010-09-30T22:01:07.668+02:00And the weapons in question were pretty much usele...And the weapons in question were pretty much useless:<br /><i>"Some weapons were hand-made by resistance: sometimes such weapons worked, other times they jammed repeatedly."</i><br /><br />To be quite honest, Stroop's SS suffered few casualties while the Jews were pretty much eliminated: either on the spot or at Treblinka.<br /><br />The Bielski Otriad and other partisan groups were much more successful; however, unlike their Hollywood image, these groups hid in the forest away from the Germans. The true story of the Bielski Otriad would be like watching paint dry.Laci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-89344633093077549682010-09-30T21:10:43.535+02:002010-09-30T21:10:43.535+02:00"Hope this helps."
It helps tremendousl..."Hope this helps."<br /><br />It helps tremendously, Guy. You've shown that you truly can read, but simply cannot comprehend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62247027336211443622010-09-30T21:08:52.814+02:002010-09-30T21:08:52.814+02:00Laci, that is true. I was dumbing it down a bit, ...Laci, that is true. I was dumbing it down a bit, so that Guy could follow along and not get hopelessly lost. As it turns out, that was already a predetermined outcome, mostly because Jade's a fucking idiot.<br /><br />Regardless of how Guy tries to derail the conversation by delving into whether "the German army" means "the German army," I trust that you understood the entire reason I brought up the Warsaw ghetto uprising was to point out how starting with a mere few improvised weapons, the Jews in the ghetto were able to kill SS/German soldiers and others who were armed with newer, better, and more advanced weapons. Then, with those weapons, they could engage in combat.<br /><br />The outcome of that event was irrelevant.<br />Which particular group of Germans that they were fighting against was irrevelant.<br />The relevant portion was that acquired their arms through the exact means that AztecRed proposed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-37717839449851242602010-09-30T20:29:36.386+02:002010-09-30T20:29:36.386+02:00"Calling a WWII era German a Nazi would be ak...<i>"Calling a WWII era German a Nazi would be akin to calling a current US citizen a Democrat."</i><br /><br />FINALLY! A comparison we can all agree on.FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33758495106680333132010-09-30T20:25:08.772+02:002010-09-30T20:25:08.772+02:00Jürgen Stroop was an SS officer which means it was...Jürgen Stroop was an SS officer which means it was highly likely that any troops commanded by him were also SS. Given that the SS was in charge of Operation Reinhard, it is more likely than not that this would have been the case.<br /><br />There is a difference between the Wehrmacht and SS. The SS was a Nazi party organisation. <br /><br />Calling a WWII era German a Nazi would be akin to calling a current US citizen a Democrat.<br /><br />Verstehst?<br /><br />LaciLaci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70488588011606259442010-09-30T20:18:25.771+02:002010-09-30T20:18:25.771+02:00Mikey W: You claimed the insurgents held off the G...Mikey W: You claimed the insurgents held off the German Army for a month. I'm sorry if you can't be more clear but to say "German Army" strongly implies the German Army.<br /><br />Hope this helps.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-68873721093266836492010-09-30T19:57:24.214+02:002010-09-30T19:57:24.214+02:00"The uprising is important in its symbolism b..."The uprising is important in its symbolism but by no means does it represent any sort of tactical victory."<br /><br />Reading comprehension continues to elude the "Sage one."<br /><br />Where in my (still not Mike W) post did I say that it represented a tactical victory?<br /><br />And where did I say that they took on the ENTIRE German army?<br /><br />Are you denying that the troops they did take on were in fact members of the German army?<br /><br />As usual, you either can't read or cannot comprehend what you read.<br />Go back to your crayons, guy. The adults having a conversation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16041116497792016392010-09-30T19:48:10.117+02:002010-09-30T19:48:10.117+02:00Mikey W: Sorry, but unless you believe the German ...Mikey W: Sorry, but unless you believe the German Army consisted of fewer than 3000 troops--it's hardly accurate to pretend the Warsaw Ghetto uprisers took on the German Army. The uprising is important in its symbolism but by no means does it represent any sort of tactical victory.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81887940448541068592010-09-30T19:32:14.907+02:002010-09-30T19:32:14.907+02:00"Most weapons were improvised, there were som..."Most weapons were improvised, there were some smuggled firearms."<br /><br />And with those improvised and smuggled weapons, they captured German weapons, by stalking and killing German soldiers and Jewish collaborators who operated as police officers in the ghetto.<br /><br />With those weapons, people with no training whatsoever held off the German army for a month, until as you correctly pointed out, the German army overwhelmed them.<br /><br />The point here isn't that it did not succeed. The point here is that you asked how an improvised weapon was supposed to be used to procure a better weapon. I pointed out a relevant and obvious historic example. Thus endeth the lesson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15896588820440151202010-09-30T19:08:29.138+02:002010-09-30T19:08:29.138+02:00Laci is correct. I've always wondered why the ...Laci is correct. I've always wondered why the gunloons like to refer to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. To be sure, it was a terrifically brave event but the reality is that the Jews of the Ghetto suffered huge casualties (~15,000, IIRC) while the Germans claimed just over 100.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38389723817690295902010-09-30T19:00:01.118+02:002010-09-30T19:00:01.118+02:00Jadefool:First, we have the "I can make an AR...Jadefool:<br><br><i>First, we have the "I can make an AR-47 in my basement with an old newspaper, a wire coathanger, and some duct tape" claim. Can you make something that shoots a projectile across the room most of the time? Yeah, probably--but you're probably not going to make anything more than a slingshot.</i><br><br>I make no such claims, but I <i>have</i> made three fully functional AR-15s from incomplete receivers(and lower receiver parts kits and upper receivers)--<i>no</i> government documentation, and completely legal. I have another 5 incomplete receivers on the way, as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23313609169124983522010-09-30T18:53:20.140+02:002010-09-30T18:53:20.140+02:00Do you know anything about the Warsaw ghetto upris...<i>Do you know anything about the Warsaw ghetto uprising and specifically how they procured weapons during their brief and unfortunately doomed fight?</i><br /><br />Most weapons were improvised, there were some smuggled firearms.<br /><br />But, that is a ridiculous statement since the Germans could have driven a couple of tanks through the Ghetto and wiped it out.<br /><br />Oh, yeah, that's exactly what Jürgen Stroop's SS did.<br /><br />LaciLaci the Chinese Crestedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371541369012938298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21738857271872952752010-09-30T17:59:07.697+02:002010-09-30T17:59:07.697+02:00jadegold shouldn't issue death threatsjadegold shouldn't issue death threatsWeer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30088653131960340122010-09-30T17:47:41.047+02:002010-09-30T17:47:41.047+02:00Sure Jade, prohibition “worked” in the sense that ...Sure Jade, prohibition “worked” in the sense that only those who didn’t want to break the law stopped buying alcohol. Gun prohibition would do the same. Tens of millions of people who don’t want to risk going to prison (that is the law-abiding people we have been talking about) would be the ones disarmed. These are the people whom your side claims to not be after.<br /><br />My thought for the easiest zip gun to make would be a blunderbuss. You don’t need rifling, you don’t even need manufactured ammo- and deadly at close range. Zip guns can also be disguised to not even look like guns.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19077239899848703802010-09-30T17:40:08.179+02:002010-09-30T17:40:08.179+02:00Officially politically irrelevant?
Well, if Weerd...Officially politically irrelevant?<br /><br />Well, if Weerd says it it must be so. After all, all the political parties are clamoring for his support.<br />http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,2022516,00.htmlJadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50316960852493510352010-09-30T17:17:25.271+02:002010-09-30T17:17:25.271+02:00"I mean seriously someone would give up their..."I mean seriously someone would give up their gun if they had a Sig-Sauer p226 with a 15 round mag loaded with hollow points to a person with something that is likely to blow up in that person's face."<br /><br />Well given that you turds would be banning all guns anyway, the people with the sigs would be Police, who are plainly labeled for a sneak attack. Its a pretty common concern for uniformed police.<br /><br />I'm sure Laci thinks he'll be some sort of prized "inner party member" that will have special privileges, and certainly those who will be running the confiscations will want to keep that dream alive until the very last minuet.<br /><br />All of this is wild conjecture anyway since you turds are officially politically irrelevant at this point, so your thoughts and opinions fall on deaf ears.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71420632031114865592010-09-30T17:03:20.179+02:002010-09-30T17:03:20.179+02:00"This is a really bizarre comment to me since..."This is a really bizarre comment to me since I want to know how zipgun guy is going to "procure a better gun"????"<br /><br />If you can't figure this one out on your own, is an explanation really going to help you?<br /><br />I'll give it one shot (pardon the pun).<br /><br />Do you know anything about the Warsaw ghetto uprising and specifically how they procured weapons during their brief and unfortunately doomed fight?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58211562897433839472010-09-30T16:53:10.184+02:002010-09-30T16:53:10.184+02:00AztecRed Said:
Not really. All you need is a sturd...AztecRed Said:<br /><i>Not really. All you need is a sturdy pipe, a spring, something to use as a firing pin, and some ammunition. Of course, this is not the most high tech firearm, but it will fire one shot and that one shot is all you need to procure a better gun.</i><br /><br />This is a really bizarre comment to me since I want to know how zipgun guy is going to "procure a better gun"????<br /><br />Is he going to go to a concealed carry or open carry gun and rob them of their weapon?<br /><br />Is he going to go to a gun store and knock it off?<br /><br />Are the people with real guns going to give in?<br /><br />I mean seriously someone would give up their gun if they had a Sig-Sauer p226 with a 15 round mag loaded with hollow points to a person with something that is likely to blow up in that person's face.<br /><br />Are you sure a firearm is the best self-defence weapon if you are going to be outgunned by a POS zipgun???<br /><br />LaciAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18758647750503508682010-09-30T16:50:15.190+02:002010-09-30T16:50:15.190+02:00Jadefool's Biggest (Only?) Cheerleader:All you...Jadefool's Biggest (Only?) Cheerleader:<br><br><i>All you kings of comparison are completely off the wall. Guns to alcohol, guns to cars, guns to swimming pools, you never stop. One comparison is more absurd than the other.</i><br><br>Actually, this discussion seems to be about comparing prohibition to . . . <i>prohibition</i>--making it, really, not a <i>comparison</i>, in the usual sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com