tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post7353419522334420283..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Why Do People Decide to Carry Concealed?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72469224285529438752012-12-15T19:35:26.625+01:002012-12-15T19:35:26.625+01:00Exactly, so you must pull the gun before it's ...Exactly, so you must pull the gun before it's too late, thereby ensuring that most times it will have been unnecessary. I think we can agree now that the 95% brandishing DGUs are not to be counted. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32280934531616673062012-12-14T22:30:16.642+01:002012-12-14T22:30:16.642+01:00To answer the question you asked in the title, tho...To answer the question you asked in the title, though, I carry my gun concealed because open carry is illegal in most of Arkansas.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33519473536250713982012-12-14T19:50:19.524+01:002012-12-14T19:50:19.524+01:00By percentage of gun owners, it's a few. But ...By percentage of gun owners, it's a few. But here's an offer: Post an article giving the numbers as you see them--defensive gun uses, murders, injuries, gun owners, carry license holders, the whole enchilada. Give your sources for that information. We'll reply with ours.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60033016326620124572012-12-14T19:47:37.724+01:002012-12-14T19:47:37.724+01:00Why? If I use a gun to drive away an attacker, bu...Why? If I use a gun to drive away an attacker, but I don't fire, that doesn't count?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73577137823293229302012-12-14T19:15:54.788+01:002012-12-14T19:15:54.788+01:00If someone bumps into me, that's nothing. If ...If someone bumps into me, that's nothing. If someone makes nasty remarks, I'll respond to or ignore them, depending on the situation. A punch, slap, kick, or other form of violence like that crosses the line. Once a person indicates that he's willing to use force against someone innocent, the innocent party shouldn't have to wait for more violence.<br /><br />See, I'm not interested in having a fist fight. I'm a mild-mannered writer and English teacher. I'll debate people who are willing to have a civil conversation, but I don't have the inclination to get into physical altercations. I just want to be left to live my life.<br /><br />I'm not out searching for someone to shoot. I go about my day, doing legitimate activities. If someone wants to use violence against me, I want to have the tool to stop the threat. I hope that merely displaying the weapon would be enough, but that's down to circumstances. Don't hit me; don't threaten me with a weapon, and you've got nothing to fear from me.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1932337488631606632012-12-14T17:34:26.538+01:002012-12-14T17:34:26.538+01:00No Mike, not true at all. Deescalation techniques...No Mike, not true at all. Deescalation techniques end most incidents, presentation of a weapon end most of the rest. You don't pull and shoot just because you get shoved - but you should not have to take a beating either. By the time you realize it is more than an ass whopping, it is already too late to do anything about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22093661316243064372012-12-14T17:26:59.348+01:002012-12-14T17:26:59.348+01:00Anonymous, is this your first comment here? You sh...Anonymous, is this your first comment here? You should give yourself a name so we can identify your highly intelligent commentary. How about, Mr. gunistheanswer, or something like that?<br /><br />I don't want everyone disarmed. Some people have good reason to carry concealed. I would like them to be better qualified, that's all.<br /><br />I do go out, believe it or not, and when I do I see how silly you guys are. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61466877105197643592012-12-14T17:22:35.855+01:002012-12-14T17:22:35.855+01:00Physical aggression can be as mild as a shove. Fr...Physical aggression can be as mild as a shove. Frail Liberty is already talking about brain damage and death. Your way, the guy who shoves you is dead, and you call it legit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2922069583345768352012-12-14T17:20:48.157+01:002012-12-14T17:20:48.157+01:00Not so fast. We haven't agreed that it is ind...Not so fast. We haven't agreed that it is indeed a "few."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33639890848479485012012-12-14T17:19:48.576+01:002012-12-14T17:19:48.576+01:00Greg, I'm really trying to understand. How do...Greg, I'm really trying to understand. How do you KNOW there is threat and not just of a little tussle about to happen, lethal threat?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10935759771780654942012-12-14T17:17:58.410+01:002012-12-14T17:17:58.410+01:00All right, how about this in order to be fair and ...All right, how about this in order to be fair and consistent. Any of you guys who ever demanded proof or evidence from me must immediately renounce the brandishing type DGUs.<br /><br />What say ye?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53455884757401757872012-12-14T03:55:19.012+01:002012-12-14T03:55:19.012+01:00Mike, it is really disgusting to hear the anger an...Mike, it is really disgusting to hear the anger and spite in your commentary. <br />You want everyone disarmed so criminals can have free reign. <br />You call everyone who carries, crazy or paranoid, or we fear some imaginary fantasy... <br />Wow, you are so afraid of guns I bet you never leave your house and just blog all day. <br />If you do leave your house you really can't be so afraid of folks that carry guns. <br />So you just want to cause trouble because you can prove how tough you are without a gun.<br />Dude, this in the damn internet. <br />Go downtown and show those gang bangers how super tough you are with just your 2 hands and your big mouth ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5855535231008700352012-12-14T00:17:34.644+01:002012-12-14T00:17:34.644+01:00MikeB: “I don't accept your solution which see...MikeB: “I don't accept your solution which seems to be use the gun before it's too late.”<br /><br />But it is ok to use the gun after it is too late? Good to know.<br />TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38526386245058779522012-12-14T00:12:41.041+01:002012-12-14T00:12:41.041+01:00Yep, criminals tend to attack people when there ar...Yep, criminals tend to attack people when there are no witnesses.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26712187837957239982012-12-13T23:59:56.853+01:002012-12-13T23:59:56.853+01:00People die from beatings all the time - others suf...People die from beatings all the time - others suffer permanent brain damage. A person who is not an aggressor should not have to take a beating in any situation. Period - end of sentence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39654587064812565182012-12-13T20:29:46.273+01:002012-12-13T20:29:46.273+01:00So your answer is that thugs get to beat on anyone...So your answer is that thugs get to beat on anyone they wish and the only appropriate response is to hit back? Fortunately, U.S. law doesn't follow your ideas.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59431282145915224892012-12-13T20:28:04.672+01:002012-12-13T20:28:04.672+01:00No lie there. Someone mouthing off is just mouthi...No lie there. Someone mouthing off is just mouthing off. I'm not going to pull my gun for that. Now if Mr. Chin Music decides to add threats against my life, that moves me into Code Orange. If he is actively putting me in danger, my gun is coming out.<br /><br />If you'd stop seeing me through your own prejudices, you'd understand my points better.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79400941179780285412012-12-13T20:24:53.440+01:002012-12-13T20:24:53.440+01:00Mikeb, let's take your scenario. Someone with...Mikeb, let's take your scenario. Someone with a gun merely displays the weapon, rather than firing it, and the other person runs away. You wonder if that was illegitimate. All right, why doesn't the person who was driven off file a police report? If someone waved a gun at me, I'd tell the cops. The typical reason for not reporting would be that the person in question was up to no good. Who's going to report being driven off from committing a crime? (Well, there was that one nut case that we discussed a few days ago, but surely you recognize that as rare.)Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62858315830421396792012-12-13T20:22:23.351+01:002012-12-13T20:22:23.351+01:00I don't accept your solution which seems to be...I don't accept your solution which seems to be use the gun before it's too late, which automatically means in most cases you use it unnecessarily.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87835031396739365452012-12-13T20:14:55.841+01:002012-12-13T20:14:55.841+01:00Greg, you're caught lying again. Up-thread yo...Greg, you're caught lying again. Up-thread you said, "The point is that the good people don't have to run away from places where they have the right to be." <br /><br />That doesn't sound like you're limiting your macho gun use to "if my life were in danger."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61974619603467123892012-12-13T20:11:56.398+01:002012-12-13T20:11:56.398+01:00My problem is that with most DGUs, especially of t...My problem is that with most DGUs, especially of the brandishing kind, which according to you guys accounts for 90%, there are no witnesses. What the hell else is the gun owner going to say - maybe it wasn't necessary and I acted prematurely? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81577369392874958752012-12-13T20:00:36.402+01:002012-12-13T20:00:36.402+01:00ok mike, you need to define how much of a beating ...ok mike, you need to define how much of a beating is acceptable before potentially lethal counter measures can be used. Keep in mind, at some point you will likely be unable to respond and are probably dead at that point, but at least you did not use a gun to kill anyone right?Jim in Memphisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-28911457294783188382012-12-13T18:32:10.095+01:002012-12-13T18:32:10.095+01:00MikeB: “…don't you see the problem when differ...MikeB: “…don't you see the problem when different people have a different idea of what "imminent danger" is?”<br /><br />I agree that is a big problem. There are all kinds of people who weren’t there and read a line in a news report about an incident of self-defense and reach the conclusion that it was bogus. We’ve even seen this when someone was pinned down getting their head repeatedly smashed into the concrete.<br />TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87256216760645531902012-12-13T15:36:06.278+01:002012-12-13T15:36:06.278+01:00Mikeb, are you volunteering to go everywhere with ...Mikeb, are you volunteering to go everywhere with all of us to take a beating for us?<br /><br />Good citizens shouldn't have to run until they're caught and beaten. This is exactly what I mean when I say that you want us to surrender to violent thugs. The good news is that Americans won't accept your vision of society.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48329405171240075042012-12-13T15:32:17.957+01:002012-12-13T15:32:17.957+01:00Some? Sure, just as some people in any group do b...Some? Sure, just as some people in any group do bad things. That number is much smaller than you're willing to admit, especially when it comes to carry license holders. Here's a question for you:<br /><br />Do you believe that we should organize society based on the actions of a few bad actors, or along lines appropriate to the vast majority of good citizens?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com