tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post7805007966849184939..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Lawful Gun Owner Plans Aurora-Type Attack - ArrestedAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61646887987579927762012-11-19T16:26:43.185+01:002012-11-19T16:26:43.185+01:00Such incidents are rare here as well. That's ...Such incidents are rare here as well. That's the part that you control freaks don't get.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-63444899397462501592012-11-19T16:25:12.813+01:002012-11-19T16:25:12.813+01:00Mikeb, you say that, but then you accuse the major...Mikeb, you say that, but then you accuse the majority of gun owners of being unfit hidden criminals and angry racists. I don't believe you.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32046634215348105342012-11-19T16:24:06.856+01:002012-11-19T16:24:06.856+01:00And if we could trust Mikeb's side, we could w...And if we could trust Mikeb's side, we could work together on improving the background check system. But we know that control freaks won't be satisfied with minor improvements.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77755149796640282952012-11-19T14:48:47.188+01:002012-11-19T14:48:47.188+01:00"Exhaustive" is just another gun control..."Exhaustive" is just another gun control buzz word. Like everything else, the gun control proponents have no specifics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83975871286449435452012-11-19T14:47:47.172+01:002012-11-19T14:47:47.172+01:00My point was to look closely at the support you th...My point was to look closely at the support you think you have for some of you 'common sense' gun control measures. Because surveys are misleading and unless you know what questions are asked, you won't get the support you think you will.<br /><br />I am all for universal health care coverage for 100% population! UNTIL, I realize that it won't work and the quality of health care would plummet for everyone.<br /><br />Its the same thing. You will NEVER get licencing of gun owners and govt registration of all guns. never never never. You might as well give that up because it is not a 'common sense' reform and it will have nearly zero impact on crime if you did. But you could get strengthening of reporting for the NCIS system - which actually could make a difference.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-37013987316790369132012-11-19T14:43:05.553+01:002012-11-19T14:43:05.553+01:00And yet you always accuse us of cherry picking ane...And yet you always accuse us of cherry picking anecdotal stories. So go ahead and ignore the many many cases that don't agree with your world view like you always do - like:<br /><br />Appalachian School of Law<br />Pearl High School<br />Party in Edinboro, Pennsylvania<br />Courthouse in Tyler, Texas<br />Church in Aurora, Colorado<br /><br />So yeah, you must be right - Loughner was the final proof.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23257179225951971522012-11-19T11:04:54.699+01:002012-11-19T11:04:54.699+01:00No, I won't admit that. Loughner was the proo...No, I won't admit that. Loughner was the proof.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83289405502905841902012-11-19T11:03:10.445+01:002012-11-19T11:03:10.445+01:00Greg, our "obsession" is with restrictin...Greg, our "obsession" is with restricting the gun rights of maniacs and lunatics, not good citizens.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19894764907148654002012-11-19T11:02:09.383+01:002012-11-19T11:02:09.383+01:00You're right, there's a big difference bet...You're right, there's a big difference between some of our gun control proposals. Some are more acceptable to gun owners than others. Your point was?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-4981090875332711762012-11-19T08:03:56.907+01:002012-11-19T08:03:56.907+01:00Canada has a "may issue" policy for all ...Canada has a "may issue" policy for all firearms. Interesting coincidence, isn't it, that you rarely hear of cases like this one there?Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53730738190706819952012-11-19T03:25:21.373+01:002012-11-19T03:25:21.373+01:00mikeb said:
"No, FL. Why can't you admit ...mikeb said:<br />"No, FL. Why can't you admit that I have a good point about the spree shooters? Are you just too defensive and contentious about guns for that?"<br /><br />They either go to the place of their grievance or, as in this case, choose their venue based on some other consideration. The idea that spree shooters calculatingly choose gun-free zones is a weak proposal."<br /><br />No problem ... I admit (and I have done it before) that most workplace shootings or others with a specific point of grievance do exactly that.<br /><br />But these so called random spree killings with the purpose of achieving fame are many times (most times) well planned. Lots of thought (twisted thought) goes into them and there is no doubt the gun free status has come into the process for at least some of them.<br /><br />But even if you were right ... it still doesn't matter whether a location was chosen for its victim rich status or not. The body count still ends up higher when no one can defend themselves. Will you at least admit that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7982063440296633902012-11-19T03:20:49.901+01:002012-11-19T03:20:49.901+01:00dog gone said:
"Do you assume he expected, fo...dog gone said:<br />"Do you assume he expected, for example, to survive this event, even if theater goers were unarmed? NO."<br /><br />That is irrelevant. It is one thing to KNOW you will not survive at the end of you planned assault but you still get the result you seek - lots of people dead. It's another thing entirely to think you might be stopped BEFORE you have been able to kill enough people. If you don't think he (or Holmes) thought about that possibility - you are deluding yourself. They planned well enough to ensure they would kill enough people to be 'famous'.<br /><br />And I love how you guys keep saying 'adding more to the situation would only make things worse' etc ... As if we add them by dropping them from the ceiling or using a Hunger Games style cornucopia of weapons turning into a free-for-all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36276515175232415362012-11-19T03:11:46.186+01:002012-11-19T03:11:46.186+01:00dog gone said:
"there is plenty of support fr...dog gone said:<br />"there is plenty of support from the population, INCLUDING GUN OWNERS, to do so."<br /><br />There is support from gun owners for some changes ... such as strengthening the NCIS system and enforcing existing laws. However, there is NOT widespread report for licensing of gun owners and govt registration of all weapons as mikeb dreams.<br /><br />And once the specifics of various "common sense" gun laws are spelled out to the public, much of the current support will evaporate.<br /><br />For example, it's one thing to ask gun owners if they support closing the "gun show loophole". It's quite another when you ask them if they support government approval for every gun transaction - including gifting to family and children.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606648012499886227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36306284151964512852012-11-18T20:04:40.621+01:002012-11-18T20:04:40.621+01:00dog gone pouted...We could save ourselves a lot of...dog gone pouted...<i>We could save ourselves a lot of homicides if buying a gun involved mental health testing..."</i><br /><br />Yeah, because no attention seeking psychopath would ever think about blowing up a building, or making crude hand grenades and tossing them into audience, or block the exits and set the building on fire.Bill Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372322870114949570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47070289782742563082012-11-18T19:28:29.153+01:002012-11-18T19:28:29.153+01:00That's exactly what she means, showing her to ...That's exactly what she means, showing her to be a fearful personGreg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91905760724331829052012-11-18T19:24:02.115+01:002012-11-18T19:24:02.115+01:00Democommie, I haven't changed. My point all a...Democommie, I haven't changed. My point all along is that any compromises with your side only lead to more compromises. Until we can trust you, there are no deals to be made.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60277802866537587602012-11-18T19:21:06.253+01:002012-11-18T19:21:06.253+01:00"And a lot of that could work for me as well,..."And a lot of that could work for me as well, but I know that you won't stop there."<br /><br />Oh, GOODY! Greggie is NOW for reasonable controlz on fuckheadz wit teh gunz? Whoo-hoo!!democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-51987386398531248722012-11-18T18:49:11.527+01:002012-11-18T18:49:11.527+01:00I find it troubling how often you call Greg danger...I find it troubling how often you call Greg dangerous. So with your idea of an "exhaustive" check, he wouldn't pass?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86069174184353892632012-11-18T18:30:58.609+01:002012-11-18T18:30:58.609+01:00Dog Gone, there are 100,000,000 +/- gun owners in ...Dog Gone, there are 100,000,000 +/- gun owners in this country. How long would each of them get on the couch?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91744217604599390542012-11-18T18:29:33.595+01:002012-11-18T18:29:33.595+01:00Dog Gone:
1. You got a gun and a carry license w...Dog Gone:<br /><br />1. You got a gun and a carry license when you had a stalker. Your continual "I'm better than you" line is worn thin.<br /><br />2. At theater distances, I'm a good shot. So are a lot of my fellow carry license holders. The idea that someone couldn't have stopped the Aurora shooter makes no sense. He was hunting for easy targets. When he was confronted by the police--people with guns--he surrendered.<br /><br />3. But certainly, being unarmed didn't do the audience any good. That's the point that you can't get around, over, or through.<br /><br />When confronted with facts and logic, you either tuck your tail and run, or you toss out insults.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19502375881733036192012-11-18T18:22:00.052+01:002012-11-18T18:22:00.052+01:00Except there is no such thing as 'mental illne...Except there is no such thing as 'mental illness', Dr. Freeman.<br /><br />orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72805935928508872292012-11-18T18:21:53.061+01:002012-11-18T18:21:53.061+01:00Actually, he didn't *do* anything wrong and th...Actually, he didn't *do* anything wrong and this is just Obama's Brownshirts destroying America.Grung_e_Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894879088472559055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-65533864126619782782012-11-18T18:21:49.797+01:002012-11-18T18:21:49.797+01:00And a lot of that could work for me as well, but I...And a lot of that could work for me as well, but I know that you won't stop there. Your obsession with restricting the rights of good citizens makes you call for so much more.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86038039686272872302012-11-18T18:19:48.616+01:002012-11-18T18:19:48.616+01:00In other words, you wouldn't want your proposa...In other words, you wouldn't want your proposals applied to rights that you care about. Dog Gone, rights aren't limited to the list that you approve of. To you, gun owners should be required to keep their guns disassembled except when at the range. Guns should never be used for self-defense--despite your having got a gun and a carry license for just that purpose<br /><br />But you still have two points that you are avoiding:<br /><br />1. We've shown you time and again from credible sources that gun laws and violent crime rates don't correlate. Contrary to your magical thinking, the presence of a gun doesn't cause violence.<br /><br />2. You consistently refuse to define the word, rare. Events like Aurora stand out because they rarely happen. Will you agree to limits on freedom of religion because of people like Terry Jones?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72086956471756328042012-11-18T17:52:07.321+01:002012-11-18T17:52:07.321+01:00No, FL. Why can't you admit that I have a goo...No, FL. Why can't you admit that I have a good point about the spree shooters? Are you just too defensive and contentious about guns for that?<br /><br />They either go to the place of their grievance or, as in this case, choose their venue based on some other consideration. The idea that spree shooters calculatingly choose gun-free zones is a weak proposal.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.com