tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post808542304632883418..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Armed while Old, Fat, White and Crabby?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16943347404798630282012-04-17T00:25:44.757+02:002012-04-17T00:25:44.757+02:00So let's see: You just drew a conclusion abou...So let's see: You just drew a conclusion about me that contradicts my statements and my beliefs and my actions, but that's not a lie? Actually, I don't call you a liar. I call you stupid and wrong, but not a liar.<br /><br />You just said that you don't believe that I care about anyone by myself. That is your interpretation. I have said that I believe your side really wants to ban private ownership of guns. That's my interpretation. If one is a lie, then so is the other. Are you a liar, Democommie?<br /><br />But you want a source for my statement above? Look at the articles posted here. Consider the tone taken in all of them. Look at the comments made by you or by Laci and Dog Gone, when they come around any more. Can you seriously suggest that the attitude therein isn't disparaging of gun owners? Do you not notice all the stories where some criminal gets shot and Mikeb expresses his regret for injury or loss of life?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30175239596064168282012-04-16T21:36:41.581+02:002012-04-16T21:36:41.581+02:00"It's not a lie; it's an interpretati..."It's not a lie; it's an interpretation."<br /><br />Bullshit. When you say something, knowing that it is in direct opposition to a stated premise by someone, saying that they did not, it is a lie. I don't understand how someone as ignorant as you obviously even got a job teaching. You're fucking hopelessly stupid.<br /><br />"I see a great deal of moaning about the demise of one or another criminal here far more than any praise or even concern for good gun owners."<br /><br />You do? Well, then provide the quotes. If you can't provide quotes by me or anyone else that you accuse of that prove your assertion is true then you either need to retract it or simply go on being a LIAR. <br /><br />"I see a great deal of moaning about the demise of one or another criminal here far more than any praise or even concern for good gun owners."<br /><br />Point to some lies I've told about you. <br /><br />I told you that I don't believe you give a fuck about anyone but yourself--and it's pretty obvious that you don't. You would kill somebody, because they are "threatening" in your opinion or for their attempting to take the money in your pockets. I'm not imagining you've said these things, they are a matter of record. You're either sociopathic or on lying when you say things like that; neither of those things is admirable.<br /><br />Quit lying about what I say and I'll quit calling you a liar. Are you genuinely too obtuse to not get the connection?democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60738393074854955912012-04-15T01:32:57.398+02:002012-04-15T01:32:57.398+02:00It's not a lie; it's an interpretation. I...It's not a lie; it's an interpretation. I see a great deal of moaning about the demise of one or another criminal here far more than any praise or even concern for good gun owners.<br /><br />But tell me this: How is it that you know that what I say is a lie, when I'm supposed to know that what you say is the gospel truth?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88045884620552745392012-04-14T23:59:17.304+02:002012-04-14T23:59:17.304+02:00"Stand your ground is a good law, as is the i..."Stand your ground is a good law, as is the idea of good citizens stopping thieves. When your side no longer shows so much sympathy for criminals, you might get more support for your ideas"<br /><br />Let me see if I can clear this up for you. I have told you, on several different threads that I do NOT have sympathy for criminals. When you say that I do, knowing full well that I don't, it's a fucking lie. Do you understand how that works?democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-3696150746342841172012-04-14T18:40:29.987+02:002012-04-14T18:40:29.987+02:00That's something like asking if he prefers the...That's something like asking if he prefers the mouth end or the asshole of the same varmit.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24195835467138427542012-04-14T17:16:25.320+02:002012-04-14T17:16:25.320+02:00Stand your ground is a good law, as is the idea of...Stand your ground is a good law, as is the idea of good citizens stopping thieves. When your side no longer shows so much sympathy for criminals, you might get more support for your ideas.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62048374147858312212012-04-14T13:42:38.762+02:002012-04-14T13:42:38.762+02:00"How typical of Dog Gone's screeds: long,..."How typical of Dog Gone's screeds: long, disjointed, and always whining about how guns are the central evil of our society."<br /><br />How typical of Greg Camp's comments; short, pissy and devoid of any factual rebuttal of any point made by dog gone or anyone else. And yet, he whines about others' "whining". <br /><br />"You can not shoot some kid who walks on your lawn. You can shoot some kid who breaks down your door."<br /><br />One of the "stand your ground" situations in Florida involved a man who had stolen something from a home and was chased several hundred feet--at least--and stabbed to death by the resident of the burgled building; the killer was not prosecuted. So, it appears that you don't have to demonstrate violence or the intent of violence on the part of the decedoperp.<br /><br />"I'm not sure what interest the greedy, corrupt corporate interests of ALEC would have in self-defense. Not buying that angle."<br /><br />Then you need to educate yourself by doing some reading. ALEC's "model legislation" is the genesis of much of the "stand your ground" nonsense. Why do the get themselves involved in that shit? Who knows or, really, even cares. That the GOP is in bed wiht them is not a question, the only question is who's on top.<br /><br />"The hate of interest groups seems to overlook something. They don't print money, people give it to them."<br /><br />Not as many people as were giving it to them before Trayvon Martin was shot*--without justification--by a man who is too insecure (or filled with hate) to go through life without a gun in his hand.<br /><br /><br /><br />* Since the Trayvon Martin shooting, Coca Cola, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, The Bill&Melinda Gates Foundation and a number of other corporate sponsors have been shamed into dropping their support of ALEC.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42644297751112255512012-04-14T09:19:16.712+02:002012-04-14T09:19:16.712+02:00Only in the sense that oxygen is necessary for gun...Only in the sense that oxygen is necessary for gun violence. A killer has to breathe, after all.<br /><br />And before Dog Gone gets snippy about a bit of fun, look at the places that I've named with high gun ownership, good gun laws, and low crime: Vermont and the Czech Republic, for example. How can those places exist? Your side must twitch with a desire to nuke them, since they're an excellent demonstration that the mere presence of guns isn't enough to make people violent and crazy.<br /><br />And what about South Africa and Puerto Rico? Both have strict gun laws, and both have a high rate of violent crime. South Africa is a good example of what would happen here if your laws came into effect. It's a country that has a long tradition with guns and a relatively high number of firearms in the country. It also has a long border with violent neighbors. (Noticing any similarities to another nation?) Puerto Rico is an island, so presumably, no one is walking across the border to buy a gun illegally from a private seller there. The existence of those two regions must also bug your side.<br /><br />So, no, I don't have to admit that gun availability is a major factor in gun violence, other than the logical statement that to have gun violence, there must be a gun. That's true by definition. But the claim that having guns causes violence is demonstrably false.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16166557187750768412012-04-14T07:37:31.626+02:002012-04-14T07:37:31.626+02:00Well, Orlin, I think you agree that Republicans ar...Well, Orlin, I think you agree that Republicans are a problem, no?<br /><br />Do you prefer them to the Dems?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59755044134790305342012-04-14T07:36:35.298+02:002012-04-14T07:36:35.298+02:00I don't think she says guns are the central ev...I don't think she says guns are the central evil. You're exaggerating again.<br /><br />Dog Gone and the rest of us understand, and I suspect you do to only you just won't admit it, that although there are many factors involved in violence and even in gun violence, gun availability is one of the main ones.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74332827664728569422012-04-14T06:17:15.399+02:002012-04-14T06:17:15.399+02:00I'm not sure what interest the greedy, corrupt...I'm not sure what interest the greedy, corrupt corporate interests of ALEC would have in self-defense. Not buying that angle. The hate of interest groups seems to overlook something. They don't print money, people give it to them. They give it to them with the intent of raising awareness in Congress to their issue over the myriads of others Congress could choose to address. So it's not just "The Corporation" controlling "The Man", it's how American democracy has worked. There are liberal interest groups as well and even ones focused on gun control with their own corporate sponsors. The Brady Campaign is probably the one you're most familiar with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-65361517490316938452012-04-14T06:04:28.326+02:002012-04-14T06:04:28.326+02:00Just a small problem with the pool intruder story,...Just a small problem with the pool intruder story, Castle Doctrine or "Shoot First" will not cover that. In all the versions I've read, the person you are shooting must be where they are unlawfully (check) and the invasion must be forceful (no check). You can not shoot some kid who walks on your lawn. You can shoot some kid who breaks down your door. <br /><br />For a nice and brief explanation http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/01/3139846/like-in-florida-ncs-castle-doctrine.htmlTFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60036210294441918472012-04-14T01:02:47.613+02:002012-04-14T01:02:47.613+02:00Dog Gone, you're speaking to me again? I thou...Dog Gone, you're speaking to me again? I thought that you'd run off in a tiff because you couldn't control the conversation.<br /><br />Saying that you did a copy and paste job doesn't excuse this. It's poorly connected. Paragraphs don't flow from the previous and into the next. It's too short to handle all the subjects that it tries to cover and too long for a rapid attack piece.<br /><br />But once again, you offer us your opinion that property owners have no right to defend their property or themselves. Yeah, we remember that this is your opinion. We also know that it's ridiculous.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47652622986926955202012-04-14T00:32:22.400+02:002012-04-14T00:32:22.400+02:00Jim, older lady outside on her back?
Seriously? ...Jim, older lady outside on her back?<br /><br />Seriously? How many people do you reasonably think hop a fence to take an unauthorized dip when there is a person present? Nor can I imagine a scenario where because someone is asked to leave they assault the home owner.<br /><br />I don't know of any instances where someone intrudes while swimming. Not one. If you can find an example, please provide it, and then be sure to indicate why that is not the exception to the rule. <br /><br />I also don't know of anyone who carries a gun while using a swimming pool. To do so would be stupid. Fortunately most women are not as ludicrously macho as the man in the NYTimes article photo.<br /><br />The woman in you scenario would be safest if she simply went indoors to wait for the police, instead of engaging in a physical confrontation with someone younger and stronger than she is.<br /><br />This is just one more example of the kind of fantasy that got George Zimmerman in trouble. The mistakes he made are exactly the kind of mistakes in judgement and reasoning that we see from all of you.<br /><br />Hey Greg- you might want to note that my writing was farimly brief in this piece. The majority of the post is from the New York Times. How typical of you to criticize national quality writing, as if you knew anything about writing yourself. Clearly your level of critical thinking has not improved in my absence. Keep trying; one of these days you might manage to think coherently. But no one should be holding their breath while waiting.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-63985693015649504082012-04-13T23:44:01.191+02:002012-04-13T23:44:01.191+02:00Laci - lets flip the situation. Say an older lady...Laci - lets flip the situation. Say an older lady is outside in her back yard next to the pool when a young man hops the fence and decides to physically attack her when asked to leave. The lady is on the ground with the man banging her head around and hitting her. She manages to grap her concealed gun and shoots her attacker. Should she face criminal prosecution? If she does and is found innocent should she then face civil court costs and time from the family of her attacker suing for a wrongful death case?Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27032518458735770512012-04-13T22:29:09.142+02:002012-04-13T22:29:09.142+02:00Greg, you forgot Republicans. ;-)
orlin sellersGreg, you forgot Republicans. ;-)<br />orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16197160753674995032012-04-13T21:35:40.466+02:002012-04-13T21:35:40.466+02:00How typical of Dog Gone's screeds: long, disj...How typical of Dog Gone's screeds: long, disjointed, and always whining about how guns are the central evil of our society.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com