tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post8245697194417114397..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: The Definition of a Hidden Criminal - Ian StawickiAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91085521938231454482012-06-07T03:09:19.300+02:002012-06-07T03:09:19.300+02:00"May Issue" harkens back to Jim Crow day..."May Issue" harkens back to Jim Crow days before the gun control folks got serious. A white person could be virtually guaranteed of receiving a permit, but a black man would never get one from the local police chief or sheriff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8351699055598454282012-06-07T01:12:33.289+02:002012-06-07T01:12:33.289+02:00Mikeb, have you ever cut your hand with a knife or...Mikeb, have you ever cut your hand with a knife or a saw? Well, then, no more sharp objects for you. You have unreasonable expectations, and the truth is that most of us actually meet them. But you are gleeful over the idea of taking away gun rights, and you have stated that you can't tell the difference between good and bad, so why do you imagine that we'll trust you?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-44231494369507864442012-06-07T01:10:10.631+02:002012-06-07T01:10:10.631+02:00I wouldn't doubt it. For any wacky cause, the...I wouldn't doubt it. For any wacky cause, there's always somebody out there who has more money than sense.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25290496247706178782012-06-06T21:08:43.465+02:002012-06-06T21:08:43.465+02:00Greg, I though they were bailed out by Joyce to av...Greg, I though they were bailed out by Joyce to avoid bankruptcy.Bill Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372322870114949570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59065497379958609022012-06-06T20:46:12.324+02:002012-06-06T20:46:12.324+02:00TS, are you breakin' balls again? When I say ...TS, are you breakin' balls again? When I say you all look alike I mean when I run into you at Starbucks. I can't tell if you're one of the responsible ones or one of the irresponsible ones.<br /><br />Greg, my one-strike-you're-out applies to people who act negligently with a gun, that's not of no consequence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47937174452458105282012-06-06T20:44:42.844+02:002012-06-06T20:44:42.844+02:00Thomas, do you have the numbers for the Brady Bunc...Thomas, do you have the numbers for the Brady Bunch?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-607835487956463142012-06-06T19:41:22.753+02:002012-06-06T19:41:22.753+02:00A revenue report destined to make Japete cry.....
...A revenue report destined to make Japete cry.....<br /><br />Revenue as reported on NRA website has compounded at 5.73% annually for last 23 years of available data.<br /><br />1986 $66,000,000<br /><br />1994 $150,000,000<br /><br />2004 $205,400,000<br /><br />2009 (last year for data) $237,500,000+Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17279097946597602013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7166109931371077682012-06-06T17:19:53.542+02:002012-06-06T17:19:53.542+02:00No, you said we all look alike. In other words, y...No, you said we all look alike. In other words, you can't tell the difference between the safe ones and the dangerous ones.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-46133969415357988292012-06-06T16:51:22.819+02:002012-06-06T16:51:22.819+02:00But your one-strike definition is ridiculous, sinc...But your one-strike definition is ridiculous, since you'd apply it to anyone who has a minor accident of no consequence, and your "obvious nut jobs" is unclear, since you can't show a fair and trustworthy way to determine who is obviously crazy, nor can you explain how all of us will be tested.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26960404530226657702012-06-06T16:49:19.439+02:002012-06-06T16:49:19.439+02:00No, I'm not lying. Vast majority is not clear...No, I'm not lying. Vast majority is not clearly defined, but three quarters could be it. However, as I've shown you, more than ninety-five percent of gun owners and guns commit no crimes in a year. That qualifies, no?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50321010543305162162012-06-06T13:18:36.872+02:002012-06-06T13:18:36.872+02:00I never said disarm all of 'em and let god sor...I never said disarm all of 'em and let god sort 'em out. I said disarm the obvious nut jobs and all the one-strike-you're-out guys.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48920730798989145082012-06-06T13:16:37.700+02:002012-06-06T13:16:37.700+02:00You're prevaricating now. Greg. When you say ...You're prevaricating now. Greg. When you say "vast majority," you don't mean 51% or more, you mean something like 95% or more. Isn't it?<br /><br />"Landslide" mean more than 10% in an election.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-952905986593333922012-06-05T22:38:18.095+02:002012-06-05T22:38:18.095+02:00Mikeb wants you to ask permission before you defen...Mikeb wants you to ask permission before you defend your life.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32863128670375317952012-06-05T21:55:34.066+02:002012-06-05T21:55:34.066+02:00"Replacing "shall issue" states wit..."Replacing "shall issue" states with "may issue" would certainly prevent some of these undesirable characters from obtaining the conceal carry permit"<br /><br />This does not work at all because it always goes past common sense. Look at NJ a may issue state...that "may" will only issue if you are connected in the Government or are a Judge, DA, ect... all it has done is disarmed the citizens and murder is rampant in Trenton & Camden. There is no middle road common sense route because it is always taken too far and the regular law abiding citizen is left defenseless. The police can take up to 10 minutes to respond to a call for help, I can draw my weapon in about 1 second.... what option would you trust the safety of your wife and kids to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38069880314769631352012-06-05T21:29:43.706+02:002012-06-05T21:29:43.706+02:00japete said..."the majority of shootings are ...japete said...<i>"the majority of shootings are between people who know each other"</i><br /><br />Can you cite a source? According to the FBI, 44.29% of the murder victims knew the offender.Bill Baldwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372322870114949570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-3061844173294520972012-06-05T21:18:24.725+02:002012-06-05T21:18:24.725+02:00This is why we are concerned, Mike. You just said...This is why we are concerned, Mike. You just said we all look alike.<br /><br />MikeB: “And the problem is you all look alike, the safe ones and the dangerous ones.”TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90117667823118704342012-06-05T20:35:22.873+02:002012-06-05T20:35:22.873+02:00Japete, you didn't ask about common sense, so ...Japete, you didn't ask about common sense, so you must not really mean it.<br /><br />But I operate with genuine sense. As I've shown Mikeb, incidents of gun violence represent one tenth of one percent of gun owners in this country and a far smaller portion of total guns.<br /><br />What I see here is that you had a loss in your life, and now you're lashing out at anyone who reminds you of the person who hurt you. The fact that we're not like him doesn't matter to you. Fortunately, there are enough people in this country who care about evidence, rather than resentment, in making their policy choices.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29181972255158101442012-06-05T20:29:50.149+02:002012-06-05T20:29:50.149+02:00And since, Mikeb, you suspect all of us, you want ...And since, Mikeb, you suspect all of us, you want all of us disarmed.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77918994828161043812012-06-05T20:28:25.504+02:002012-06-05T20:28:25.504+02:00It's not bullshit. Majority, of course, means...It's not bullshit. Majority, of course, means more than fifty percent. A landslide in an election means that the candidate got two-thirds of the vote. It takes a three-fifths supermajority in Congress to pass a constitutional amendment on to the states.<br /><br />What's the point? Depending on the study or poll, between a third and a half of Americans have at least one gun. You'll argue about the number, and I don't care. Eighty million, a hundred million, or more--it's still a large number. Let's talk round numbers. There are about 100,000 shooting incidents per annum in this country. That number I've seen here and elsewhere. That includes fatalities and injuries. One hundred thousand is one tenth of one percent of the total number of gun owners, more or less.<br /><br />That's what I mean when I say that the vast majority of us are not criminals, hidden or otherwise.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91534480342434785222012-06-05T19:57:15.160+02:002012-06-05T19:57:15.160+02:00I say it's more than a little hard to trust ar...I say it's more than a little hard to trust armed citizens and getting harder what with all of those folks shooting people in public places. Great post, Mike. I love the Venn diagram in the linked post. This is what I have been saying on my blog. Yes, there are criminals with guns who do bad things but the majority of shootings are between people who know each other, often domestic in nature. There are otherwise "law abiding" gun owners who shouldn't have permits or guns who are not stopped from doing so because we refuse to pass laws to stop them from getting their guns. Rather we let the NRA and its' minions make false claims like we can't keep guns away from criminals so how can we keep them away from people like Stawicki. That is pure and utter nonsense and cynicism and a way to avoid doing the right thing.japetehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100586242385440419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74447715226960704662012-06-05T19:43:48.582+02:002012-06-05T19:43:48.582+02:00I want those guys disarmed.I want those guys disarmed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20739826130282117832012-06-05T19:41:50.308+02:002012-06-05T19:41:50.308+02:00Greg, what you do say is the "vast majority&q...Greg, what you do say is the "vast majority" of gun owners is responsible and safe. The hidden criminals among you ruins that deal.<br /><br />I'm all for due process to take away gun rights, and I'm all for you to quit riding that bullshit wagon of the vast majority is safe. It just ain't so. And the problem is you all look alike, the safe ones and the dangerous ones.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86033485800371475782012-06-05T19:40:21.671+02:002012-06-05T19:40:21.671+02:00MikeB wrote, "... the world of gun owners is ...MikeB wrote, "... the world of gun owners is not neatly divided between good guys and bad guys."<br /><br />I'll finish his following sentence. "This false and simplistic view ..." also applies to law enforcement officers, dispatchers, bureaucrats, politicians, and appointed officials.<br /><br />And yet those are the very people who would apply whatever gun control laws that gun grabbers envision. Those people would screw up just as often as anyone doing anything.<br /><br />MikeB doesn't trust armed citizens to behave because there are some bad apples. I don't trust public servants for the very same reason.<br /><br />When a known criminal, "hidden criminal", or public servant screws up, I want my firearms on hand.Capn Crunchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494225553563073179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85144840926759192972012-06-05T17:13:40.974+02:002012-06-05T17:13:40.974+02:00Gun control can’t even work to get guns away from ...Gun control can’t even work to get guns away from know criminals, so how is it going to work for ones we can’t see because there are hidden?<br /><br />But like Greg and Anonymous said, this guy wasn’t so hidden. The laws are in place- this was a process failure and <i>awareness</i> is the key word that you mentioned. We don’t allow people to be forcibly committed anymore, and that is a good thing. The opportunity comes when they commit a crime- like domestic battery or death threats. The awareness comes in to recognize that this might be a mental health issue and to proceed with charges. Once adjudicated mentally ill, they will be added to the NICS, but more importantly they can get the help they need. That is provided mental health professionals are not wasting all their time screening legitimate gun owners.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38778350286547712162012-06-05T14:55:50.196+02:002012-06-05T14:55:50.196+02:00"Breaking his girlfriend's nose should ha..."Breaking his girlfriend's nose should have been sufficient to disqualify him. Was that reported to the police? Did he go to trial?"<br /><br />Exactly. And you want these same police who dropped the ball here to determine if an individual gets a permit or not? No thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com