tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post8369268772653647261..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Chris Christie Commutes Sentence of CriminalAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30475131635666221442010-12-23T16:47:25.865+01:002010-12-23T16:47:25.865+01:00mike:
Ah, sorry, read that wrong. mea culpa :-)mike:<br />Ah, sorry, read that wrong. mea culpa :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57050308812567942242010-12-22T20:10:02.660+01:002010-12-22T20:10:02.660+01:00Jug, Actually I don't remove things I disagree...Jug, Actually I don't remove things I disagree with, and besides you didn't say anything.<br /><br />indyroadie, thanks for your comments. I agree he probably wasn't on his way to kill anybody. I was just fleshing it out in the opposite extreme from Zorro.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32125804725960833982010-12-22T19:18:57.951+01:002010-12-22T19:18:57.951+01:00Seems to me if he was going to kill his ex, his gu...Seems to me if he was going to kill his ex, his guns would have been loaded. <br />"Hi honey, I am here to kill you, but can you stand still while I load? Thanks!"<br />Not seeing it :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83068555206809255952010-12-22T18:56:20.493+01:002010-12-22T18:56:20.493+01:00Mike, don't worry, I'm not going anywhere....Mike, don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I'm just going to quit abiding by the aforementioned "Marquis of Queensbury Rules."Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04410036643192254380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10920312417951862332010-12-22T09:09:52.659+01:002010-12-22T09:09:52.659+01:00This blog is gold. Thanks for the laughs and head ...This blog is gold. Thanks for the laughs and head shaking. Since having moved to Cleveland *hangs head* I have witnessed a lot of what the world would use as examples of American stupidity. Thank you for the fun. I shall be back to read again tomorrow. Ah, but you will probably snip this won't you moderator. As read here, you've been said to remove things you don't agree with.Jugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79973449031948607762010-12-22T06:44:42.573+01:002010-12-22T06:44:42.573+01:00Colin, Please don't get so righteously upset w...Colin, Please don't get so righteously upset with us. I realize it gets rough around here sometimes, but there's a lot more going on as far as discussions. You've been a big part of that part and I appreciate it. Don't do what so many others have done before you. They come around for a while, then they get frustrated at not convincing us and they find some pretext for leaving in a huff. <br /><br />It's not really true what you said. <i>"For my efforts, I've been met with nothing but continued derision, personally directed insults and feeble protestations of "you started it / do it worse waaaah.""</i><br /><br />You've been met with a lot more than that. And, for my part, I hope it can continue.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42614231419309273812010-12-22T06:37:43.544+01:002010-12-22T06:37:43.544+01:00Zorro, That's a good fleshing out, plausible a...Zorro, That's a good fleshing out, plausible and even possible. It's more or less the opposite of an unspoken supposition, at least I've not said it, that he was on his way to kill his ex because he'd had enough of her bullshit games with the visitation rights.<br /><br />Whatever the truth is, he knew the rules and he broke them. You know what Mickey Rourke said, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18529265088470119052010-12-22T05:33:53.723+01:002010-12-22T05:33:53.723+01:00Indyroadie:There seems to be some dispute on that....Indyroadie:<br><br><i>There seems to be some dispute on that. He claims he was in the process of moving. One has to wonder, if he wasn't moving, why did the Judge suppress that clause?<br />If he was not moving, wouldn't the Judge have simply said "it is legal to transfer a weapon when moving, but since Aitken wasn't moving, that does not apply"?</i><br><br>The answer, of course, is that <a href="http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/former_superior_court_judge_no.html" rel="nofollow">ex-</a>Judge Morley is a corrupt, agenda-driven hack.<br /><br />New Jersey should try to shanghai the very <a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20101219_Gun_cases_tossed_out__suspects_walk_out.html" rel="nofollow">Honorable Judge Paula A. Patrick</a> away from Philly. <br /><br />There is, by the way, nothing to indicate that she is "pro-gun"--just that she is clearly very "anti-due process violation." <br /><br />That, of course, makes her anathema to the forcible citizen disarmament cheerleaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20465364325337824182010-12-22T02:44:16.224+01:002010-12-22T02:44:16.224+01:00“- about the population of Chicago.”
Ah yes, I he...“- about the population of Chicago.”<br /><br />Ah yes, I heard about that one, but have not personally witnessesed it. Same as the infamous filing of the firing pin.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56834423497775032092010-12-22T02:41:52.026+01:002010-12-22T02:41:52.026+01:00Jade, you may think you have nothing to worry abou...Jade, you may think you have nothing to worry about because you don’t own guns, and you are not Hispanic so AZ cops won’t question you, but I don’t believe for a second that you think there isn’t a single unjust law that an innocent victim of the system can be persecuted under. But if you really feel that strongly about “existing laws”, then don’t complain about someone who is following the letter of the law regarding concealed carry and castle doctrine.<br /><br />Existing laws.<br /><br />Also, your “all or none” attitude is tiresome. You always assume this is what is meant anytime the pro-gun side talks. Examples; <br /><br />You accuse me not wanting ANY laws because I don’t like this particular law.<br /><br />When the NRA (not me) says a tagline like “enforce existing laws”- you think that means they support ALL current gun laws. Obviously they have never supported DC and Chicago bans on handguns, though they have been saying that tagline long before Heller.<br /><br />Yet when you call for a ban on certain types of guns, NOW you get say that doesn’t mean ALL guns… And of course when someone objects to these bans, you again switch back to accusing them of saying you want to ban ALL guns.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22950106186370942222010-12-22T01:22:49.460+01:002010-12-22T01:22:49.460+01:00" Doing the right thing doesn't get you f..." Doing the right thing doesn't get you far in that game. But playing up to the NRA and the gun lobby sure does."<br /><br />Good thing that in this case playing up the NRA and the gun lobby was the right thing.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-13742345681911826192010-12-21T23:02:03.164+01:002010-12-21T23:02:03.164+01:00"Anyone want to add to this? This could be fu..."Anyone want to add to this? This could be fun."<br /><br />- about the population of Chicago.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16974775809361558262010-12-21T22:19:21.662+01:002010-12-21T22:19:21.662+01:00Guy KKKabot, I can't speak for everyone here, ...Guy KKKabot, I can't speak for everyone here, but I've come around for quite awhile and attempted to have a civil, adult, reasonable discussion with you guys. For my efforts, I've been met with nothing but continued derision, personally directed insults and feeble protestations of "you started it / do it worse waaaah."<br /><br />No more. When you want to grow up and treat me with the respect that I initially offered you two, let me know, and we can resume having a rational discussion. Or, you can start moderating my comments rather than facing them like a man. Either way, I don't really care.Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04410036643192254380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67966137434714291892010-12-21T22:00:33.309+01:002010-12-21T22:00:33.309+01:00Quick Translation of Gunloon-speak:
Reasoned discu...Quick Translation of Gunloon-speak:<br /><i>Reasoned discussion</i> means gunloons are permitted to spew vitriol and lies while those who oppose them must docilely accept what they say and not disagree.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7972000330208075852010-12-21T21:44:17.178+01:002010-12-21T21:44:17.178+01:00Let me run this by you, Jadefool's Biggest (On...Let me run this by you, Jadefool's Biggest (Only?) Cheerleader, since you maintain that Mr. Aitken <i>deserves</i> a life sentence of forcible disarmament, for (supposedly) the "crime" of transporting unloaded guns, in locked containers, deep in his trunk, during or shortly after a cross-country move.<br /><br />Let's, for the sake of argument, accept that the move to New Jersey had been completed by the time his car was searched and he was arrested, so he was, technically in violation of NJ's bizarre law.<br /><br />You, I believe, like to say, "Let's flesh out the story a bit," when you want to use utterly unsubstantiated speculation to support your way of seeing things.<br /><br />So let me "flesh out the story a bit," and speculate that Mr. Aitken had some doubts about his roommate. Perhaps he drinks too much, abuses drugs, or has anger management problems. Maybe Mr. Aitken feared the consequences of leaving his guns in that guy's reach. In fact, I bet if he <i>had</i> obeyed Jersey law, and left his guns at home, and his roommate <i>had</i> gotten to them and done something terrible, you'd want Aitken thrown in a cage for <i>that</i>, wouldn't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27521142297734241362010-12-21T21:22:12.506+01:002010-12-21T21:22:12.506+01:00FWM said, "I must agree with others that this...FWM said, <i>"I must agree with others that this blog is not the same forum of reasoned discussion that it once was. There were always a few nasty comments on both sides but at least it always had the air of a discussion in spite of it."</i><br /><br />It still has the air of discussion in spite of so much whining and complaining about how we run it. The guys you complain about most, offer far more than insults. They offer opinions that you disagree with. I think that's the real problem. Sooner or later most of you guys get tired of not getting your way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-89293287822880676762010-12-21T20:22:36.360+01:002010-12-21T20:22:36.360+01:00Jadegold:
There seems to be some dispute on that. ...Jadegold:<br />There seems to be some dispute on that. He claims he was in the process of moving. One has to wonder, if he wasn't moving, why did the Judge suppress that clause?<br />If he was not moving, wouldn't the Judge have simply said "it is legal to transfer a weapon when moving, but since Aitken wasn't moving, that does not apply"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15102637058958663762010-12-21T20:22:02.421+01:002010-12-21T20:22:02.421+01:00Kaveman:Well then, you should be happy, because th...Kaveman:<br><br><i>Well then, you should be happy, because that is the case here. Aitken did not recieve a pardon, his sentence was commuted.<br /><br />Which means his felony conviction still stands.</i><br><br> But the good guys <a href="http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/attorney-says-aitken-to-appeal-for-vindication-on-gun-charges" rel="nofollow">are still fighting</a> for full restoration of Mr. Aitken's fundamental human rights. I kinda like what his attorney says:<br><br><i>To my knowledge, this is first time in the US a Governor has commuted a prison sentence for a gun charge which was pending an appeal. The fact that the Governor did this extraordinary action speaks volumes to the "peril" of Jersey's gun law and the danger one can face from a judge who stops the jury from even considering the mere slivers of law which allow for legal gun possession in NJ.</i><br><br>If the good guys win, and Aitken's right to lifesaving firepower is restored, I face a potentially fatal laughgasm at the anguished wailing here, but it would be worth it.<br /><br />Then, the only injustice remaining in this case is the fact that Judge (oos---<a href="http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/former_superior_court_judge_no.html" rel="nofollow"><i>ex</i>-Judge</a>) Morley isn't hanging from a lamp post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14500507964922336352010-12-21T20:02:02.774+01:002010-12-21T20:02:02.774+01:00indy: the problem is Aitken wasn't transferri...indy: the problem is Aitken wasn't transferring his weapons from one residence to another. He had transferred the weapons from CO to NJ and had taken up residence in NJ.<br /><br />The clear intent of the law was violated; that is, the purpose of the law permits firearms to be trnsported from residence A to residence B. You can't take up residence at B then transport your guns around in your vehicle.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62328036589560655302010-12-21T19:44:13.798+01:002010-12-21T19:44:13.798+01:00...and what of the existing law that allows for tr......and what of the existing law that allows for transportation of firearms from one residence to the other, that the Judge supressed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15126560907615246602010-12-21T19:42:28.784+01:002010-12-21T19:42:28.784+01:00Besides, TS, I'm not the one claiming we don&#...Besides, TS, I'm not the one claiming we don't need laws beacuse if we just enforce those we have--everything'll be fine.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5531394872908095542010-12-21T19:41:19.817+01:002010-12-21T19:41:19.817+01:00TS: The difference, of course, being that if I we...TS: The difference, of course, being that if I were to violate AZ's existing law(s) in some fashion, I would expect to be prosecuted. I wouldn't violate the laws and then claim I'm a victim because I don't like the law.<br /><br />Existing laws.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40349754788083375982010-12-21T19:34:15.960+01:002010-12-21T19:34:15.960+01:00I have made it pretty clear about the type of laws...I have made it pretty clear about the type of laws that I think should not only not be enforced, but repealed. If you are so hung up on “existing laws” being word- never to be questioned- then I presume you have no problem with Arizona’s concealed carry law.<br /><br />Existing laws. <br /><br />I also presume you have no problem with Arizona authorities stopping every Hispanic looking person on the street and hauling them away if they don’t have papers. <br /><br />Existing laws.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47420519585826353872010-12-21T19:25:13.255+01:002010-12-21T19:25:13.255+01:00U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment:
"A well...U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment:<br /><br />"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."<br /><br />U.S. Constitution, Fifth Amendment:<br /><br />"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"<br /><br />Gun ownership is legal and the right to own them is part of the very fabric of this great country of ours. So it the right to due process and the right to not testify against yourself.<br /><br />The police, judge & court violated Aitken's rigths. Clearly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1602077794891589622010-12-21T19:24:54.190+01:002010-12-21T19:24:54.190+01:00TS: Aitken was convicted of violating existing law...TS: Aitken was convicted of violating existing laws. Not proposed laws. Not laws somebody is thinking about. Not laws you imagine I think about.<br /><br />Existing laws.<br /><br />Gunloons say we don't need more laws. You say we need better enforcement and tougher sentences.<br /><br />But when you get waht you ask for, it turns out you really want no laws at all. At least be honest and admit it.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.com