tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post8688638682774039996..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: California's Proposition 34 Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34307464094638473012012-10-24T17:54:19.111+02:002012-10-24T17:54:19.111+02:00The state is saying that it is morally wrong to ki...The state is saying that it is morally wrong to kill an innocent person. You choose not to make that distinction, and that's your right, but there's nothing dishonest about saying that those guilty of murder deserve death.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38999769717662939892012-10-24T12:50:29.442+02:002012-10-24T12:50:29.442+02:00I never understood the claims that it's so muc...I never understood the claims that it's so much more expensive to keep a gun on death row, and when I looked at the link to the Prop 34 explanation I was still in the dark.<br /><br />My idea is the cost is not the best reason for abolition anyway. Number 1 for me is that it is morally wrong. You can't tell people it's wrong to kill and then turn around and kill them when they do. It's inconsistent. The death penalty is state sanctioned per-meditated murder in my book. The second reason is also compelling, that they sometimes execute innocent people.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47602153194733880222012-10-24T08:52:38.282+02:002012-10-24T08:52:38.282+02:00Someone has been reading the SAFE Act propaganda r...Someone has been reading the SAFE Act propaganda rather than investigating the facts. 1)There is no independent, 3rd party study that exists which backs up any claim that eliminating the death penalty in CA will save money. The "study" put forth by the Prop 34 campaign was conducted by individuals whose opposition to the death penalty is well-known. They are trying to push their own agenda. The non-partisan California Legislative Analyst's Office has studied Prop 34 and while they estimate possible savings under Prop 34, they acknowledge substantial uncertainties in their estimates and admit they could be off by "tens of millions of dollars."<br /><br />2) The $ for law enforcement is for only 3 years and amounts to less than 1.5% of the LA Sheriff's Dept. budget-- but must be spread between 58 counties and more cities. A pittance of a bribe for conservative votes.<br /><br />3) No one can point to a single person wrongfully on death row at the completion of his appeals or who has been executed in CA. Carrillo was NEVER sentenced to death, nor found innocent. His sentence was overturned and the DA decided not to refile charges. Even if innocent, this only shows the appellate process works.<br /><br />4) The latest KPIX/CBS-5 San Francisco poll with Survey USA showed Prop 34 losing 32 to 48 percent.<br /><br />5) The problem with not following through with executions can be remedied quickly. <br /><br />Get the truth at http://cadeathpenalty.webs.com/ and www.voteno34.orgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13282215668323307441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25930327953487888472012-10-24T06:46:28.996+02:002012-10-24T06:46:28.996+02:00It's reputation as the progressive leader? Th...It's reputation as the progressive leader? That may be, but look at the state. Nothing resembling a rational budget in years, and a bunch of looney toons who seek to pass one law after another to micromanage the lives of Californians. Then there's the ballot initiative itself. The voters haven't met a spending program that they don't want or a tax that they'll accept. Some progress.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com