tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post8846401053450749902..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Obama Makes No Mention Of Guns In State Of The Union AddressAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19745619989981147882015-02-01T15:18:04.906+01:002015-02-01T15:18:04.906+01:00Sorry, but one like you that uses diversion and di...Sorry, but one like you that uses diversion and dishonesty doesn't get any reason to claim a valid point. Enjoy your delusion. Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79621272731727546182015-02-01T02:01:51.842+01:002015-02-01T02:01:51.842+01:00Yes, I did say that. Obama pushed for restriction...Yes, I did say that. Obama pushed for restrictions on guns, gun owners rightfully "attacked" him on the issue and successfully prevented its passage. That's certainly a lot better than only waiting for after onerous law passes before speaking up, wouldn't you say?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69940450986557457062015-02-01T00:42:19.660+01:002015-02-01T00:42:19.660+01:00The point is gun owners have reason to "attac...The point is gun owners have reason to "attack" Obama's gun policies- which is an answer to your very first post on this thread.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39860157359019739522015-01-31T18:23:54.441+01:002015-01-31T18:23:54.441+01:00Did you not say,
"Though most of the laws he ...Did you not say,<br />"Though most of the laws he pushed for didn’t make it passed the Senate, there was also the 23 executive actions that he took on gun control, which pretty clearly qualifies as making a move on guns."<br />I already went through the 23 points and you already said that none of the legislation passed, so what is your petty false point TS?Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-92207481552999813752015-01-30T22:45:42.082+01:002015-01-30T22:45:42.082+01:00Did you or did you not use the words "sponsor...<i>Did you or did you not use the words "sponsored and pushed for"?</i><br /><br />He said precisely that, but like Mikeb, apparently reserves the right to utterly change the meanings of his own words, when the standard, <i>English</i> meaning becomes inconvenient and indefensible (as it so often does with these two).Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52878978014962763922015-01-29T19:43:00.875+01:002015-01-29T19:43:00.875+01:00Did you or did you not use the words "sponsor...Did you or did you not use the words "sponsored and pushed for"?<br /><br />The issue is whether or not gun owners have reason to oppose Obama, right?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67202027746405187882015-01-29T14:10:26.047+01:002015-01-29T14:10:26.047+01:00You gun loons love to divert, twist, and dodge the...You gun loons love to divert, twist, and dodge the issue, and you have done that well TS.Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24980818512465173672015-01-28T17:34:33.094+01:002015-01-28T17:34:33.094+01:00I never said the president makes laws- he pushes f...I never said the president makes laws- he pushes for laws and then signs them after congress makes and passes laws. You asked for examples of Obama "sponsored and pushed for". Those were your words- go back and look. And of course that makes considerably more sense for what we are talking about- whether or not gun owners have reason to be upset with Obama. You are suggesting gun owners only have reason to attack Obama if he <b>makes</b> laws against gun rights- something of which the executive branch isn't even allowed to do.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56208712395025461182015-01-28T11:15:11.401+01:002015-01-28T11:15:11.401+01:00Right TS who made the claim Obama was some how mak...Right TS who made the claim Obama was some how making anti gun law, yet, by your own admission no such ideas became law. What do you argue now, the Sun rises everyday? Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9224409118784508122015-01-26T17:40:47.560+01:002015-01-26T17:40:47.560+01:00Yeah, we can leave it at that. He made his move o...Yeah, we can leave it at that. He made his move on guns, pro-gun people took exception to his proposals and "attacked" Obama on his gun policy and ended up winning this round.<br /><br />Maybe "Sammy", who didn't know why anyone would attack Obama on guns now has a better insight to what happened in 2013. TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29605262549118085812015-01-26T17:12:49.288+01:002015-01-26T17:12:49.288+01:00All right. Obama made some moves but none that res...<i>All right. Obama made some moves but none that resulted in anything.</i><br /><br />So does that mean you're ready to denounce <a href="http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2015/01/obama-makes-no-mention-of-guns-in-state.html?showComment=1421852861963#c805356594299528940" rel="nofollow">this statement</a> of Sammy's (my emphasis added):<br /><br /><i>Not sure why [liberty advocates] attack Obama on guns, <b>he's made no move at all to do anything about guns</b>.</i><br /><br />Now if <i>I</i> had said something so blatantly false, as you now admit, I strongly suspect you would call me a liar. And you know what? For the <i>first time</i>, you would be right in leveling such a charge against me.<br /><br />Somehow, though, I get the feeling that Sammy won't be held to such standards (and low standards are definitely best suited for him).Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56057125368581724532015-01-26T16:46:20.126+01:002015-01-26T16:46:20.126+01:00All right. Obama made some moves but none that re...All right. Obama made some moves but none that resulted in anything. Can we leave it at that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21759969154811755522015-01-26T16:44:10.750+01:002015-01-26T16:44:10.750+01:00Now you're saying he didn't change any law...<i>Now you're saying he didn't change any laws. That's different than how you started this conversation. </i><br /><br />Exactly, TS. Sammy is clearly a big fan of Mikeb's portable (self-propelled?) goal posts.<br /><br />Fine, we book Obama for Attempted "Gun Control," instead of First Degree "Gun Control." It's still a heinous crime against humanity.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23384629795778407162015-01-26T08:33:55.468+01:002015-01-26T08:33:55.468+01:00Now you're saying he didn't change any law...Now you're saying he didn't <b>change</b> any laws. That's different than how you started this conversation. He sure tried to change the laws, though.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75175355736055611022015-01-26T03:51:51.616+01:002015-01-26T03:51:51.616+01:00Bullshit TS, he made no move that changed laws, or...Bullshit TS, he made no move that changed laws, or infringed on anyone's right to own, use, or buy guns, yet you and your ilk would have us believe the opposite . Enjoy your delusion. Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34101237134904694642015-01-25T18:22:47.359+01:002015-01-25T18:22:47.359+01:00Mike, I'm also wondering what you expect gun o...Mike, I'm also wondering what you expect gun owners to do in the time period when gun legislation is proposed and debated but before it's voted on. In this case, the four months between Sandy Hook and mid April when the legislation failed. I guess we're supposed to keep our mouths shut and only complain about what Obama did to us <i>after</i> it passes. I can see why you would like it that way.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50509518043904422322015-01-25T18:02:56.776+01:002015-01-25T18:02:56.776+01:00Talk about moving goalposts. Look at the very fir...Talk about moving goalposts. Look at the very first post of this thread. You said you don't know why gun owners would have a problem with Obama because he made no moves whatsoever against guns. Now we see that change to he made no moves that <i>you personally</i> find unreasonable. So you can see how if someone doesn't think guns should be banned because of the shape of its grip, or doesn't think it should be a federal felony if you go out of town for more than a week without first transferring all your guns to your roommate, that they might want to attack Obama on his gun policies.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-65611782656464727502015-01-24T22:26:21.258+01:002015-01-24T22:26:21.258+01:00Obviously, Sammy is not talking about proposals or...<i>Obviously, Sammy is not talking about proposals or the expressed desires of the prez. Obama didn't do shit for gun control. Let's not confuse efforts with results.</i><br /><br />Um, Mikeb? "Obviously," Sammy <a href="http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2015/01/obama-makes-no-mention-of-guns-in-state.html?showComment=1421912305728#c1007848101382100792" rel="nofollow">asked for examples</a> of legislation that Obama "sponsored or pushed for"--with not a word about what Obama actually accomplished along those lines. And that makes vastly more sense than limiting the discussion to infringements on that which <b>shall not be infringed</b> that he has succeeded in inflicting on the nation. After all, why should he be given a pass simply because he has failed? Do people not go to prison for <i>attempted</i> murder?<br /><br />And add to that, <em>with <b>all</b> his failings</em>, <b>that</b> <a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-s-greatest-frustration-is-his-failure-to-trample-2nd-amendment-enough" rel="nofollow">is his "biggest frustration."</a>Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6575880766034088202015-01-24T21:17:20.102+01:002015-01-24T21:17:20.102+01:00Mike, yes.
TS, there is zero legislation while Oba...Mike, yes.<br />TS, there is zero legislation while Obama has been president to ban, or stop qualified buyers to buy and use guns. Seems it's the old argument about what you mean buy infringement on the 2nd A. I don't think laws, or regulations on guns, ammunition, and other gun accessories are an infringement on the 2nd A. Obama has been president during some of the worst gun massacres; do you expect him to say we have no gun problems in this country? I find Obama has been more than reasonable in his gun positions and he will not go down in history as an effective anti gun president. When America did ban some weapons (Saturday night specials, fully auto, etc) who was president? The final say on this you already stated, "Though most of the laws he pushed for didn’t make it passed the Senate." A Democratic Senate I should add. Sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15620359339223219042015-01-24T19:52:06.324+01:002015-01-24T19:52:06.324+01:00No, that's exactly what he meant. He claimed ...No, that's <i>exactly</i> what he meant. He claimed Obama "made no move on guns" and then asked me to point out legislation that he "sponsored" and "pushed for".TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-63719719202607885322015-01-24T19:06:30.604+01:002015-01-24T19:06:30.604+01:00TS, you're just being petty and difficult agai...TS, you're just being petty and difficult again. Obviously, Sammy is not talking about proposals or the expressed desires of the prez. Obama didn't do shit for gun control. Let's not confuse efforts with results.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26202526236552789482015-01-24T19:02:28.015+01:002015-01-24T19:02:28.015+01:00...apart from the proposal to ban magazine and ass...<i>...apart from the proposal to ban magazine and assaulty guns included in the "Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act . . . </i><br /><br />Not to mention the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090204213511/http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/" rel="nofollow">"Urban Policy" page</a> at Whitehouse.gov, as soon as he took office:<br /><br /><i>[Obama and Biden] also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.</i><br /><br />Oh, and <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-opposes-stricter-gun-laws-says-they-wont-make-all-bad-things-go-away/2012/07/25/gJQANGV79W_story.html" rel="nofollow">how about</a> "But Obama told the National Urban League here that he believes a lot of gun owners would agree that 'AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers,' not civilians on American streets," in 2012?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85715360006597681842015-01-24T18:52:48.337+01:002015-01-24T18:52:48.337+01:00Plus there was this executive action which barred ...Plus there was this executive action which barred the import of legal to own guns:<br /><br />http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3836183TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71437285584003172942015-01-24T17:56:22.720+01:002015-01-24T17:56:22.720+01:00"I saw nothing about ban on guns, ammunition,..."I saw nothing about ban on guns, ammunition, magazine size, or other issues that might even be considered a threat on the right to own, use, and buy guns."<br /><br />...apart from the proposal to ban magazine and assaulty guns included in the "Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act" which he called a "shameful day in Washington" when it failed. TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85632096280059511652015-01-23T19:44:45.997+01:002015-01-23T19:44:45.997+01:00Sorry TS, I read the 23 points and see nothing abo...Sorry TS, I read the 23 points and see nothing about a "move on guns." There were actions on making background checks easier and more inclusive, actions on guidelines for medical people and other preventative measures that were not an infringement on a persons right to own, buy, and use guns. If you think background checks are unconstitutional, I disagree. If you think getting medical professionals involved for prevention, or to try and identify those who might be irrational enough to do something dangerous, I disagree. I saw nothing about ban on guns, ammunition, magazine size, or other issues that might even be considered a threat on the right to own, use, and buy guns. Sammynoreply@blogger.com