tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post9174909162355901409..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: ANSWER: Historical trivia: What was the reason given by the Nazis for Kreystalnacht?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86328077668770714502014-03-24T11:26:22.487+01:002014-03-24T11:26:22.487+01:00So it wasn't the guns that saved them, but esc...So it wasn't the guns that saved them, but escaping imprisonment. I agree. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32376905434710294502014-03-24T08:05:59.497+01:002014-03-24T08:05:59.497+01:00I'd say that the Bielskies and the Jews who to...I'd say that the Bielskies and the Jews who took their captors guns and broke out of one of the camps would disagree with you, Anon.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9038368062107286132014-03-23T23:19:55.932+01:002014-03-23T23:19:55.932+01:00"Possibly not"
Again laughable.
Absolut..."Possibly not" <br />Again laughable.<br />Absolutely not. <br />If you want to give a person a false sense of security by giving them a gun to fire before they die, fine, but the inference that they might survive, or change the outcome that they will die, is simply not true and history proved it to not be true. More guns would not have helped the Jews to survive. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29621600033575901272014-03-23T20:44:49.085+01:002014-03-23T20:44:49.085+01:00Mike,
Laci's premise, which Anonymous picked ...Mike,<br /><br />Laci's premise, which Anonymous picked up, was that guns wouldn't have been useful to the Jews and that they might have been better off if they didn't shoot. You may not hold to that, but when you join their side in an argument, how else are we to take it?Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21925665191489986512014-03-23T20:39:26.212+01:002014-03-23T20:39:26.212+01:00I just wish the last verse was included with the Y...I just wish the last verse was included with the Young Dubliners' version.<br /><br />Sinead O'Connor also did a nice version with the Chieftains--more of a lament.<br /><br />And while we're discussing songs about the prowess and glory of England:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js7x3u2GHYsSimon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36045373362837833072014-03-23T20:34:17.506+01:002014-03-23T20:34:17.506+01:00That's an excellent version too. However, the...That's an excellent version too. However, the attitude exuded from this one is more appropriate for Laci.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-36575883092957790212014-03-23T17:04:11.605+01:002014-03-23T17:04:11.605+01:00"The idea that armed Jews could have stopped ..."The idea that armed Jews could have stopped the Nazis, is laughable."<br /><br /> Possibly not, but they at least stood up to them while they could. Given freedom of movement, they would have likely done much better.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71497070760210219242014-03-23T10:01:26.891+01:002014-03-23T10:01:26.891+01:00But Mikeb, that's exactly what you do insist. ...But Mikeb, that's exactly what you do insist. Your side wants an unarmed citizenry that complies with everything the government demands. Please don't bother denying that. We all can read and draw valid conclusions from what your lot says.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35364980298615242492014-03-23T09:58:49.373+01:002014-03-23T09:58:49.373+01:00That's a fine song. I like the one with Paddy...That's a fine song. I like the one with Paddy Reilly and the original Dubliners, myself, but this has some punch to it.<br /><br />Sure, the mutt'll be after ignoring it.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29682179109875358832014-03-23T09:47:03.392+01:002014-03-23T09:47:03.392+01:00"Do explain how the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto..."Do explain how the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto would have been better off calmly filing onto the box cars rather than availing themselves of guns."<br /><br />Simon, when we question the utility of guns in overcoming a tyrannical government we're not saying people would be "better off calmly filing onto the box cars." This is an example of your twisting the argument in a dishonest way. WE DON'T SAY THAT. It's also an example of one of those loaded questions that you and Kurt like so much. Within the question is a statement, in this case the false statement that we claim people are better off willingly submitting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-376472769907237622014-03-23T07:07:05.754+01:002014-03-23T07:07:05.754+01:00Apparently screwed up my html
http://www.youtube....Apparently screwed up my html<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Bq_2soGIASimon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9572676582068274142014-03-23T06:30:31.937+01:002014-03-23T06:30:31.937+01:00The idea that armed Jews could have stopped the Na...The idea that armed Jews could have stopped the Nazis, is laughable. It took most of the heavily armed world to stop the Nazis. And if the world had not come together to fight the Nazis, one country alone (even America) could not have stopped them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52827634699412643492014-03-22T21:57:26.784+01:002014-03-22T21:57:26.784+01:00The gun control side is still left with the questi...The gun control side is still left with the question of whether it's better to be murdered helplessly or to take some of the bastards with you.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57994952179637780802014-03-22T20:24:00.268+01:002014-03-22T20:24:00.268+01:00Yes, Anonymous, Jews in some countries had guns (P...Yes, Anonymous, Jews in some countries had guns (Poland wasn't part of Germany where gun ownership for Jews was much lower seeing as they couldn't get permission) and the Jews did occasionally use their guns--like in the Warsaw Ghetto after it was obvious that they were being systematically exterminated and they were fully surrounded and blocked in.<br /><br />You have said nothing that contradicts the idea that if more Jews had been armed and if more of them had used their arms--especially at an earlier stage, they might have stood a better chance, and they certainly could not have fared any worse than they did, or than they would have if there had been no uprisings in places like Warsaw.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79812017223242061982014-03-22T17:03:07.593+01:002014-03-22T17:03:07.593+01:00" It's the same argument we always have a..." It's the same argument we always have about US gun owners being the last defense against government tyranny. You guys are delusional."<br /><br /> Lets look at a more modern example. The Taliban in Afghanistan. They have outlasted the Soviet military, albeit with aid from the US, and the combined forces of multinational forces led by the US. Or do you really think there has been any kind of decisive victory? And what do you think will likely happen after we leave at the end of the year?ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60758306864075867972014-03-22T16:55:48.172+01:002014-03-22T16:55:48.172+01:00" We're saying that if the Jews had been ..." We're saying that if the Jews had been armed and had used their arms, they'd have stood a better chance."<br /><br />Your statement is false. Jews did have guns and did fight back. My point was to correct your error, or lie, and it is a common lie. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5903909572289333432014-03-22T16:04:40.344+01:002014-03-22T16:04:40.344+01:00Mike,
Do explain how the Jews in the Warsaw Ghett...Mike,<br /><br />Do explain how the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto would have been better off calmly filing onto the box cars rather than availing themselves of guns.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-68278168965885229002014-03-22T16:01:54.140+01:002014-03-22T16:01:54.140+01:00Didn't know he was part of that til you said i...Didn't know he was part of that til you said it before.<br /><br />I've got a song for him:<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow"> Enjoy!</a>Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57602226391136206492014-03-22T11:52:57.317+01:002014-03-22T11:52:57.317+01:00No, gun control freaks lack any sense of honor. T...No, gun control freaks lack any sense of honor. They believe that life under a master is at least life and is therefore superior to standing up in defense of one's rights.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7357068992343441692014-03-22T10:17:34.160+01:002014-03-22T10:17:34.160+01:00"The utility of firearms" as ss put it, ..."The utility of firearms" as ss put it, is the very thing we're questioning. It's the same argument we always have about US gun owners being the last defense against government tyranny. You guys are delusional.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88915240130133050202014-03-22T06:32:45.236+01:002014-03-22T06:32:45.236+01:00You're freaking me out. I want to unread your...You're freaking me out. I want to unread your comment to save my brain.Flying Juniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02098313953658606206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26930189533009360772014-03-21T20:27:51.902+01:002014-03-21T20:27:51.902+01:00At least they were able to fight the evil. An hon...At least they were able to fight the evil. An honorable death. Their defeat does not negate the utility of firearms in these situations. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84641093504926714892014-03-21T18:01:40.445+01:002014-03-21T18:01:40.445+01:00And your point, Anonymous?
Yes, they were murdere...And your point, Anonymous?<br /><br />Yes, they were murdered. And they had been being murdered before that. And they would have been murdered had they not fought back. At least they stood up and fought, took plenty of Nazi's with them, and tied up those German units.<br /><br />It's just too bad they waited as long as they did--imagine if they'd taken up arms sooner--broke out of the Ghetto and formed a partisans movement like happened elsewhere. Maybe the result would have been the same, but they might have fared better.<br /><br />At the very least, they would not have fared worse.Simon J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17134596801178015692014-03-21T17:42:53.384+01:002014-03-21T17:42:53.384+01:00Anonymous, you miss the point. There are times wh...Anonymous, you miss the point. There are times when it's better to die with your attacker than to die while your attacker enjoys watching you go.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50253736151667136062014-03-21T17:41:01.583+01:002014-03-21T17:41:01.583+01:00Laci doesn't like to talk about his days in th...Laci doesn't like to talk about his days in the British occupation force.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com