tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post1033229622080475573..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: More Straw Purchases at BadgerAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2413675491648957122009-10-07T16:00:31.862+02:002009-10-07T16:00:31.862+02:00I think there is quite a good chance that Sevestee...I think there is quite a good chance that Sevesteen has nailed it.<br><br>Mikeb, I would argue that Badger could be <i>carrying</i> inexpensive handguns, without "specializing" in them.<br><br>And finally, if Badger <i>does</i> carry inexpensive handguns, I say "kudos to them," because I don't believe that the poor <a href="http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2054099/sns1316-1.jpg" rel="nofollow">should be priced out of the self-defense market</a>.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10018333747052412839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-19510933743767849282009-10-07T09:49:08.973+02:002009-10-07T09:49:08.973+02:00Sevesteen, Thanks for that interesting possibility...Sevesteen, Thanks for that interesting possibility which I don't think has been mentioned before. If a shop specializes in cheaper handguns, more of them will turn up in crime. If a guy sells mainly top-of-the-line stuff, there'll be less.<br /><br />Good one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48795398573029022962009-10-07T06:29:50.776+02:002009-10-07T06:29:50.776+02:00I don't know anything about the shops in quest...I don't know anything about the shops in question. It could be volume, it could be carelessness, or it could easily be product mix. <br /><br />The cheapest available guns are disproportionately represented as crime gun recoveries. If a shop sells the cheapest available guns, the shop will also be disproportionately represented. Straw buyers don't typically buy Kimbers. I am not aware of any gun shop in my area that sells Jennings-Family guns (almost entirely sold in pawn shops), and only a few sell Hi-Point, the next cheapest type. If your shop's cheapest handgun is $400, you probably won't have many crime guns traced back to you.Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16239906575936206822009-10-07T01:19:36.481+02:002009-10-07T01:19:36.481+02:00Note the numbers involved, and the numbers not men...Note the numbers involved, and the numbers not mentioned.<br /><br />Number A: number of straw purchases prosecuted since 2007: 10<br /><br />Number B: number of straw purchases prosecuted since 2007 which happened at Badger: 9<br /><br />Number C: Total number of guns purchased at Badger since 2007: ??<br /><br />Number D: Total number of similar-sized gun stores in the area :??<br /><br />Because if C is greater than 10,000, you're talking about a miniscule detected error rate. Still illegal and problematic, but not catastrophic.<br /><br />And if D is less than 1, then Badgers is the biggest gun store in the area, and likely to see a high concentration of (legal and straw-purchased) gun sales in the area.<br /><br />Until you have numbers C and D, you are guessing about how big a problem it is.<br /><br />Whether or not it is a big problem, there are policies and programs in place at the BATFE (aided by the <a href="http://www.dontlie.org/" rel="nofollow">NSSF</a>) to help gun stores stop straw-sales. Do you know what they are? Do you think they are good enough?<br /><br />(Again, Google is your friend. Although by asking here, you'll likely get the same result.)karrdehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00205160745963596856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-12145587694979479972009-10-06T11:28:25.304+02:002009-10-06T11:28:25.304+02:00beowulf, is this what you call Brady demonization?...<i>beowulf, is this what you call Brady demonization?</i><br><br>It's certainly one of Brady's <b>vast</b> number of agenda-driven, deliberate distortions (I'm refraining from using the word "lie," because that word seems to make you unhappy--see what a nice guy I am?).<br><br>The SS190 round, which was indeed designed to have some ability to defeat body armor, has never been legally available to civilians (because if civilians are attacked by thugs in body armor, it's their civic duty to simply die, I guess). The SS192 round is what got the Bradys' panties in a bunch, despite a) the fact that other pistol rounds, including some like the 7.62x25mm Tokarev--fired from Warsaw Pact military surplus pistols that can be bought cheaply (and with a Curios and Relics license, can even be bought through the mail); b) the SS192 round's ability to defeat soft body armor is quite marginal, at best; and c) FN voluntarily withdrew it from the market, anyway.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10018333747052412839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14798160048363141352009-10-06T08:35:09.431+02:002009-10-06T08:35:09.431+02:00beowulf, is this what you call Brady demonization?...beowulf, is this what you call Brady demonization?<br /><br /><i>"Three leading police organizations today urged police nationwide to be on the lookout for a small, easily concealable handgun that fires bullets that penetrate soft body armor, calling the gun an immediate threat to law enforcement officers."</i>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9631897482158721542009-10-05T12:01:52.434+02:002009-10-05T12:01:52.434+02:00Well said, Bob S. If Nugent wants to treat his cu...Well said, Bob S. If Nugent wants to treat his customers like suspects, that's his prerogative, but for prospective gun buyers who refuse to accept that kind of treatment, it's <i>their</i> prerogative to shop where they will be treated like, well . . . <i>customers</i>.<br><br>Badger sounds pretty good in that regard.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10018333747052412839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67738243817956133702009-10-05T11:56:31.698+02:002009-10-05T11:56:31.698+02:00Sorry but I wouldn't buy a gun from Nugent.
...Sorry but I wouldn't buy a gun from Nugent. <br /><br />Being "closely questioned" by a retail establishment for no other reason then I want to buy one of their legal products, BUNK.<br /><br />If they want to do that fine, but there is a right to privacy even when buying firearms. Nugent might not be crossing the line on that, but if he won't respect my privacy, it is his lose.Bob S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15882819735831651314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26177337239034157292009-10-05T10:54:47.451+02:002009-10-05T10:54:47.451+02:00I like Nugent's attitude too. It's the sa...I like Nugent's attitude too. It's the same attitude more gun shop owners should have. I know several more who think exactly like he does. <br /><br />I don't know how the owner of Badger can live with himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9484870473768356342009-10-05T08:31:46.047+02:002009-10-05T08:31:46.047+02:00I wish Badger sold guns online.Or maybe not--I can...I wish Badger sold guns online.<br><br>Or maybe not--I can't really afford one right now--although I sure have a hankerin' for an FN Five-seveN (<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0127-13.htm" rel="nofollow">hysterically demonized by the Brady Campaign scam artists</a> as a "cop killer").beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10018333747052412839noreply@blogger.com