tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post1412919175328160481..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Lawful California Gun Owner Arrested for Assault with a Deadly WeaponAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74174747806292937872012-06-02T08:33:05.835+02:002012-06-02T08:33:05.835+02:00The "little baby" part is about calling ...The "little baby" part is about calling it "begging." <br /><br />To the founding fathers I would ask how could they deny those precious rights to women and blacks.<br /><br />The others you mentioned are civil rights heroes, which have nothing to do with gun-rights fanatics. Naturally you want to compare yourselves to them, but no one believes that crap.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-37353011412625944332012-06-02T08:29:16.264+02:002012-06-02T08:29:16.264+02:00Greg, it cannot be considered "right" to...Greg, it cannot be considered "right" to kill someone for taking your stuff.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24429357067122495842012-06-01T22:26:22.944+02:002012-06-01T22:26:22.944+02:00Mikeb, TS beat me to it, but I'll add my answe...Mikeb, TS beat me to it, but I'll add my answer. Drivers' licenses are shall issue in every state and in D.C., and a license in one jurisdiction is good in all. Once you get a license, barring some major screwup, there are no tests again, and it gets renewed on the same day.<br /><br />But you do keep using that little babies line. You probably would have said the same thing to Sam Adams, to George Washington, to Thomas Jefferson, et al. Would you have said the same thing to Malcolm X? How about Medgar Evers? After all, they too were demanding their rights.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5680344248203966122012-06-01T18:42:30.213+02:002012-06-01T18:42:30.213+02:00Except that they grant me permission to drive a ca...Except that they grant me permission to drive a car. They have a shall-issue driver's license policy.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11723002547572358472012-06-01T11:50:25.894+02:002012-06-01T11:50:25.894+02:00We're not talking about "begging permissi...We're not talking about "begging permission" any more than you have to "beg permission" to drive a car. You sound like little babies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29023271859558129842012-06-01T06:57:32.503+02:002012-06-01T06:57:32.503+02:00Begging for permission wouldn't be so bad if t...Begging for permission wouldn't be so bad if the answer were “yes”. The answer is not only “no”, but you can’t even <b>apply</b> so as not to show the paper trail of denials against the issuances to political backers of the sheriffs.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83461144464019432172012-06-01T04:54:58.320+02:002012-06-01T04:54:58.320+02:00Mikeb, just imagine that you had to get beg for pe...Mikeb, just imagine that you had to get beg for permission under a discretionary system to post articles on-line. Rights are rights.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70373254514885538832012-06-01T04:52:07.412+02:002012-06-01T04:52:07.412+02:00As we've seen on the question of gun control, ...As we've seen on the question of gun control, rights and the law don't always overlap. Morally, we have the right to protect our property with whatever force is required. The law will often take a different view. To avoid running afoul of the law, I'll follow the rules, but that doesn't mean that I have to call it right.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-68301742130382236572012-06-01T00:48:02.965+02:002012-06-01T00:48:02.965+02:00TS correct on this, it is next to impossible to ge...TS correct on this, it is next to impossible to get a CCW unless you are connected. You could jump through all of the hoops, spend all of the time and money, meet all of the qualifications, and still get denied. That's because the process is subjective in may issue states. <br /><br />"The Los Angeles County Sheriff's own policy on the issuance of licenses enabling private citizens to carry concealed weapons is blunt: "The Department's overriding policy is that no concealed weapons license should be granted merely for the personal convenience of the applicant.""<br /><br />http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ccrkba-blasts-ca-sheriffs-hypocrisy-no-ccws-for-citizens-drivers-licenses-for-illegals-140365923.html<br /><br />Or, here's a cut and paste from the San Diego County Sheriff Website:<br /><br />The Sheriff may issue a concealed weapon license to law abiding residents of San Diego County provided that all of the following criteria are met:<br /><br />The applicant is of good moral character<br />The applicant demonstrates good cause for the issuance of the license<br />The applicant presents proof of residency within San Diego County<br /><br />http://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.htmlRandolphus Maximusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47603484949889520172012-05-31T20:53:59.603+02:002012-05-31T20:53:59.603+02:00You mean there's a state, other than Texas, th...You mean there's a state, other than Texas, that allows <i>deadly</i> force in the protection of property? This is news to me. I think most people of good sense agree that it is wrong to shoot people over property. This incident would have been illegal in all 50 states, even Texas, because Texas only allows deadly force in the protection of property in very limited circumstances.<br /><br />You have a right to protect property, using force. You don't have a right to use <i>deadly</i> force to protect property. The issue here was not that you have to allow the thief to get away with it, but that the level of forced used in this circumstance, deadly force, was unlawful. It should be unlawful in this circumstance.Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648225987293475835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34665034555909549232012-05-31T20:51:30.771+02:002012-05-31T20:51:30.771+02:00Mike, audits of LTC permits for all CA counties ar...Mike, audits of LTC permits for all CA counties are available, as are good cause statements. <br /><br />"very much doubting" and proof by vigorous assertion does not make your false statement any more true.<br /><br />But worry not, soon enough there will be no more 'may issue' states and you won't have to go barking up that tree any longer.ddbaxtehttp://twitter.com/ddbaxtenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-64369299053131607652012-05-31T18:58:27.772+02:002012-05-31T18:58:27.772+02:00People have the right to protect their property. ...People have the right to protect their property. The state sometimes tries to remove that right, but that's an example of illegitimate government power. Some people have to put their hands on the burner to know that the stove is hot. The message that this thief should be learning is that crime doesn't pay, but since the store owner is being charged, the thief will get an entirely different message.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91777940409074226302012-05-31T18:03:07.255+02:002012-05-31T18:03:07.255+02:00In the bay area, LA, and San Diego- this is absolu...In the bay area, LA, and San Diego- this is absolutely true. Why don't you disprove it with an antidote though. Show me one "normal joe" with a CCW from one of these counties.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33528117426484509092012-05-31T17:49:03.446+02:002012-05-31T17:49:03.446+02:00And I very much doubt that carry permits "wil...And I very much doubt that carry permits "will only go to people who are connected." That's a gun-rights myth about may issue states.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56676448319407727512012-05-31T17:47:37.495+02:002012-05-31T17:47:37.495+02:00Oh, no congratulations is necessary. These cases ...Oh, no congratulations is necessary. These cases are a dime a dozen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-13326929051969222592012-05-31T17:46:50.754+02:002012-05-31T17:46:50.754+02:00You think deadly force is justified in a case like...You think deadly force is justified in a case like this?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-80282590270066792612012-05-31T17:46:12.991+02:002012-05-31T17:46:12.991+02:00Thanks, I posted it. But what's your point?Thanks, I posted it. But what's your point?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83692545907967275822012-05-31T17:37:30.955+02:002012-05-31T17:37:30.955+02:00Greg, You're really calling the shop keeper a ...Greg, You're really calling the shop keeper a good citizen? What's the matter with you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-31302495572555405262012-05-31T17:22:05.581+02:002012-05-31T17:22:05.581+02:00MikeB: “An interesting thing about this story is t...MikeB: “An interesting thing about this story is the look of the shopkeeper. If you listen to our gun-rights friends you wouldn't think a guy like that could own a gun legally. According to them, you have to be rich and famous, or at least white.”<br /><br />You are confusing simple ownership with a CCW permit. The permits are may-issue, and in the urban counties will only go to people who are connected. You don’t need a CCW permit to carry a gun in your home, or in your place of business. I very much doubt this guy had a permit.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16234910214155773162012-05-31T16:37:30.075+02:002012-05-31T16:37:30.075+02:00Sounds like an appropriate prosecution to me. It&#...Sounds like an appropriate prosecution to me. It's illegal and immoral to shoot someone for shoplifting. He was not in reasonable fear of grave bodily injury or death at the time of the shooting.<br /><br />Congratulations! You found a real case of vigilantism! And for it he was appropriately punished.Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14648225987293475835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18719538538200992322012-05-31T15:18:35.176+02:002012-05-31T15:18:35.176+02:00If you cant protect what is yours, what is the poi...If you cant protect what is yours, what is the point. If nothing happened to the criminal what would keep him and his friends from coming back and getting all the free groceries they could steal over and over again? ---Im with the store keeper on this, its time to end the protecting of criminals Ca. is back wards on many of these issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9883106222022863522012-05-31T14:32:31.708+02:002012-05-31T14:32:31.708+02:00On the other hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...On the other hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVtjIbt0iA&feature=relatedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87813079444104639142012-05-31T13:26:56.911+02:002012-05-31T13:26:56.911+02:00Clearly, California law needs to be changed. Woul...Clearly, California law needs to be changed. Would the thief have been caught if he hadn't been injured? As the majority of commentors on the news site agree, this shows what's wrong with the law. The cops charge a good citizen, and who knows what happens to the thug.<br /><br />This is one of many reasons why we can't trust or support gun control advocates. Your side stands with thugs, not good citizens.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57898473611088650352012-05-31T08:43:43.820+02:002012-05-31T08:43:43.820+02:00No commodity in that store (even beer!) was worth ...No commodity in that store (even beer!) was worth the life of a person. They were right to arrest the store owner.Baldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.com