tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post247319182244912253..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Mother of Teen Arrested Over NRA Shirt Sues School District for $450KAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45874139372400227412015-11-05T16:19:17.123+01:002015-11-05T16:19:17.123+01:00White also exemplifies the kind of permit holder I...<i>White also exemplifies the kind of permit holder I keep talking about . . . </i><br /><br />Ah--that would be the kind I've never knowingly met, and will <i>certainly</i> never be.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76793263635590026802015-11-05T15:19:50.158+01:002015-11-05T15:19:50.158+01:00Yeah, White also exemplifies the kind of permit ho...Yeah, White also exemplifies the kind of permit holder I keep talking about, you know the 0.000001% of you guys.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50205127428200226122015-10-30T23:03:59.611+01:002015-10-30T23:03:59.611+01:00That is interesting. White would appear to exempl...That <i>is</i> interesting. White would appear to exemplify the type of person who would condone punishing a student for refusing to remove a t-shirt with a firearm image on it.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39123824365994903072015-10-30T21:11:18.581+01:002015-10-30T21:11:18.581+01:00Here is an interesting development.
"You mi... <br /><br />Here is an interesting development.<br /> <br />"You might not remember the name Jared Marcum, but you probably remember the situation he found himself in as a West Virginia eight-grader who was suspended and then arrested for wearing an NRA tee shirt with a rifle pictured on it.<br /><br />The prosecutor in the case who slapped Marcum with a gag order and who had him arrested now finds himself in hot water for pulling a real gun—not one printed on fabric—because of Halloween decorations that he didn’t like."<br /><br /> <br /><br />"The alleged incident happened on October 5th after several secretaries in the office decorated for Halloween. The decorations included many fake spiders that were throughout the office. Apparently, White has arachnophobia and became irate over the decorations.<br />"He said they had spiders everyplace and he said he told them it wasn’t funny, and he couldn’t stand them, and he did indeed get a gun out. It had no clip in it, of course they wouldn’t know that, I wouldn’t either if I looked at it, to tell you the truth," Bennett explained.<br />Bennett says it’s his understanding that White didn’t point the gun at anyone or wave it around but did threaten to shoot all of the spiders. Bennett says the incident caused quite the scare for the three secretaries that witnessed it.<br />"Quite naturally, the ladies were concerned, as I would have been. Anybody would be, I would think, with a gun no matter where it was," Bennett said."<br /> <br />http://bearingarms.com/prosecutor-went-student-nra-shirt-pulls-gun-fake-spiders/<br /> <br />Mr. Owens puts it quite well,<br /> <br /><br />"It doesn’t appear that White will face charges or lose his carry permit, even though he irrationally pulled a gun, in anger, over spiders he knew to be fake.<br />It sounds to me like three counts of brandishing a weapon at a minimum, or assault with a deadly weapon at a maximum.<br />In any event, its clear that White lacks the temperament and discernment to be safe with a firearm."<br /> <br />Here is the original article. Apparently there is a video of the event. Would be a hoot to see it.....<br /> <br />http://www.wchstv.com/news/features/eyewitness-news/stories/Assistant-Logan-County-Prosecutor-Suspended-After-Gun-Scare-Involving-Fake-Spiders-225092.shtml<br /><br /><br /> ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57033275177337965192015-06-29T06:32:48.512+02:002015-06-29T06:32:48.512+02:00Say, Mikeb, what do you think of this description ...Say, Mikeb, what do you think of <a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertahe124502.html#jbvfS9z34SWt1WYQ.99" rel="nofollow"><i>this</i> description</a> of freedom?<br /><br /><i>I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.</i><br />-Robert Heinlein<br /><br />My guess is that it's brilliant enough to piss you off to no end, amiright?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-44653460129219621502015-05-25T09:01:40.382+02:002015-05-25T09:01:40.382+02:00I think it's self-aggrandizing ridiculous bull...I think it's self-aggrandizing ridiculous bullshit putting your friends in that group. You're like the insecure adolescent who uses braggodocio to cover up his weakness.<br /><br />About the education of kids with regards civil disobedience, I think young people, boys especially need no help with resistance, rebellion and disobedience. These things come naturally for most. What they do need help with is learning respect for authority and obedience. This need not go to the extremes that you so imaginatively describe, but it is an important part of early education.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86796422165151358322015-05-18T17:18:12.216+02:002015-05-18T17:18:12.216+02:00Brwahahahahahahahaha, Codrea and Vanderboegh in th...<i>Brwahahahahahahahaha, Codrea and Vanderboegh in the same group with [Gandhi], King and Thoreau. You're more fun than a barrel of monkeys, Kurt.</i><br /><br />Laugh (if that, rather than some kind of debilitating seizure, is what that long series of letters is intended to represent) all you want, but all five have peacefully defied lawful authority in deference to their beliefs.<br /><br />And when you're done with your giggles, perhaps you can answer the question. Do you think their fathers taught them to obey those in authority without question? If not, do you think they should have? If so, do you think the sons were wrong to have strayed from their father's teachings?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-46251389517657295952015-05-18T08:35:27.436+02:002015-05-18T08:35:27.436+02:00You're right.You're right.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9351213466121059112015-05-18T08:28:41.503+02:002015-05-18T08:28:41.503+02:00Brwahahahahahahahaha, Codrea and Vanderboegh in th...Brwahahahahahahahaha, Codrea and Vanderboegh in the same group with Ghandi, King and Thoreau. You're more fun than a barrel of monkeys, Kurt.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33527374284200772352015-05-17T16:12:50.272+02:002015-05-17T16:12:50.272+02:00Well, they have the law suit part the same. You li...<i>Well, they have the law suit part the same. You like the one but you hate the other. In the one case we've all become too litigious, in the other, it's right and good.</i><br /><br />This ain't complicated, Mikeb. Some lawsuits are legitimate and moral, others aren't. There's nothing inconsistent, and <i>certainly</i> nothing hypocritical, about recognizing the distinction between the two.<br /><br />You, for example, clearly don't approve of this lawsuit ("<i>ridiculous</i> law suit," I believe you called it). That doesn't mean you're not allowed to approve of some other lawsuits (the Brady campaign-backed suits against Badger Guns, or Bushmaster, for example).Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5865990973287984842015-05-17T16:06:14.100+02:002015-05-17T16:06:14.100+02:00I wouldn't portray him as an activist who care...<i>I wouldn't portray him as an activist who carefully tried to practice civil disobedience in order to achieve a higher goal. He was just a rebellious kid doing his teenage thing.</i><br /><br />And your evidence of that is . . . ?<br /><br /><i>And his dad probably was behind the whole thing.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure his father is even in the picture. In all the stories I've seen that mentioned his family, it was always his mother and <i>step</i>father. But which is it--rebellious teenager, or kid obediently doing what parental authority tells him to? 'Cause I don't see how it can be both simultaneously.<br /><br /><i>Isn't teaching obedience and compliance a good thing when kids are young? Isn't that more important than teaching them resistance and disdain for authority?</i><br /><br />So what do you suppose Henry David Thoreau's father taught him? How about Mike Vanderboegh's, or Mahatma Gandhi's? Or David Codrea's, or Martin Luther King, Jr.'s? Obedience to legitimate authority, administering just and moral rules is good. Obedience to anything less is voluntary acquiescence to serfdom, and is nothing to be proud of.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6464338152450953002015-05-17T12:50:57.257+02:002015-05-17T12:50:57.257+02:00Well, they have the law suit part the same. You l...Well, they have the law suit part the same. You like the one but you hate the other. In the one case we've all become too litigious, in the other, it's right and good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7031351498030200222015-05-17T12:49:05.159+02:002015-05-17T12:49:05.159+02:00You guys may be right. It is possible that the ki...You guys may be right. It is possible that the kid knew the rules. <br /><br />I wouldn't portray him as an activist who carefully tried to practice civil disobedience in order to achieve a higher goal. He was just a rebellious kid doing his teenage thing. And his dad probably was behind the whole thing. I think we saw him when the thing first broke.<br /><br />I don't know if Kurt is a father, I know you are, ss. Isn't teaching obedience and compliance a good thing when kids are young? Isn't that more important than teaching them resistance and disdain for authority? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58883843726267347812015-05-17T03:23:01.247+02:002015-05-17T03:23:01.247+02:00"Staff members told Marcum that his shirt, wh..."Staff members told Marcum that his shirt, which featured the NRA logo, a rifle and the words “Protect Your Right,” violated the school’s dress code policy (which has since been removed from the school’s website). The policy prohibited the display of profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases, but said nothing about images of guns or firearm organizations."<br /><br /> I don't believe that to be the case. According to the article, the dress code was on the school website at the time of the incident, but removed afterwards. Do you seriously don't think that the students wouldn't examine to rules to see the limits of their world while they are in school. Especially since young adults seem to want to find ways to show their independence from authority, which is all the more rewarding when it frustrate the powers that be while staying within the confines of the rules they crafted to control them. <br /> Do you believe this drive to show such independence is limited to the children of gun owners? I have to disagree with that and I also believe that its actually a good thing.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8316656659664696512015-05-16T23:58:14.945+02:002015-05-16T23:58:14.945+02:00C'mon, man, no one knew exactly what the schoo...<i>C'mon, man, no one knew exactly what the school dress code was . . . </i><br /><br />So the wannabe tyrant of a "teacher" was trying to enforce a dress code that he didn't know? <i>Brilliant</i>!<br /><br /><i> . . . least of all the kid. </i><br /><br />And where did you find <i>that</i> information? Gun rights advocacy activism often takes the activist right to the edge of the law (or school policy, in this case). Activists, knowing this, therefore often arm themselves with the knowledge of just what is illegal (or against school policy) and what is not. It's hardly implausible that young Mr. Marcum had prepared himself for the not exactly unforeseeable possibility of a confrontation with some power-hungry asshole anti-gun zealot of a teacher.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-34843812829404533942015-05-16T23:11:04.027+02:002015-05-16T23:11:04.027+02:00"You mean because he seemed aware of what the..."You mean because he seemed aware of what the dress code allowed and didn't allow?"<br /><br />C'mon, man, no one knew exactly what the school dress code was, least of all the kid. He was just acting out in the way rebellious teens, especially the children of gun nuts, are wont to do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-80843044614364227602015-05-16T23:09:00.642+02:002015-05-16T23:09:00.642+02:00"claiming her son’s constitutional rights wer..."claiming her son’s constitutional rights were violated when they prohibited him from wearing the shirt." That's what we were talking about, Kurt. That's what you referred to as "genocidal tyranny." And as usual you're incapable of taking anything back or qualifying it in any way. One could conclude that such a bizarre exaggeration is indeed a lie.<br /><br />As is the inference that I would "outlaw adolescent arrogance." That's a blatant misrepresentation of what I've said - in other workd, a lie.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-74451197185054147092015-05-16T17:29:36.591+02:002015-05-16T17:29:36.591+02:00Exactly, SSG. There is no legitimate comparison b...Exactly, SSG. There is no legitimate comparison between lawsuits against gun manufacturers who have done nothing wrong, and who have followed all the rules, and lawsuits that punish governmental abuse of power.<br />Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48977089139720428382015-05-16T17:26:44.729+02:002015-05-16T17:26:44.729+02:00Well, sort of. But don't you think that kids i...<i>Well, sort of. But don't you think that kids in school should be obliged to obey the teachers.</i><br /><br />Sure, if we want to condition future generations of Americans to be mindless, docile, obedient ruminants. If, on the other hand, we would prefer that the future of this country feature some people with spine, who think for themselves, who stand up for their rights, who <b>defy</b> power used abusively, then we support those impressive young Americans who show an inclination to do just that.<br /><br /><i>In this case the teacher was requesting compliance about a dress code.</i><br /><br />Wrong on two counts. First, the wannabe tyrant of a "teacher" wasn't "requesting" anything--when refusal means being arrested, it ain't a request, but an attempt to coerce, backed up by the government's armed enforcers. Second, the demand wasn't for "compliance about a dress code"--the young man was <i>already</i> in compliance with the school dress code. The Teacher Who Would Be King was demanding compliance with his <i>own</i> agenda-driven dress code.<br /><br /><i>He wasn't asking something outrageous.</i><br /><br />On that we can agree--he wasn't "asking" <i>anything</i>, but, as I said above, <i>demanding</i>, by authority he does not (and <i>must</i> not ever) have, the outrageous suppression of the young man's freedom of expression.<br /><br /><i>Wasn't it the kid's bad attitude that escalated things?</i><br /><br />Nope, it was "the kid's" <i>superb</i> attitude that escalated things.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8351459497848690192015-05-16T09:42:32.284+02:002015-05-16T09:42:32.284+02:00Two widely and quite unrelated issues Mike. One is...Two widely and quite unrelated issues Mike. One is holding government officials accountable for their use of authority. The other is an attempt to hold a business responsible for the actions of an individual who used their product illegally.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-65570832520773752772015-05-16T09:35:16.146+02:002015-05-16T09:35:16.146+02:00"Wasn't it the kid's bad attitude tha..."Wasn't it the kid's bad attitude that escalated things?"<br /><br /> You mean because he seemed aware of what the dress code allowed and didn't allow? It's hard to determine his attitude because somebody made some effort to destroy evidence documenting that.<br /> ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-43551817813598502452015-05-16T08:48:22.944+02:002015-05-16T08:48:22.944+02:00An interesting angle is how the gun nuts lament an...An interesting angle is how the gun nuts lament any attempt to sue gun manufacturers but suddenly support a ridiculous law suit like this one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60982095276546110862015-05-16T08:46:41.141+02:002015-05-16T08:46:41.141+02:00"The school arrested this young man for not m..."The school arrested this young man for not mindlessly obeying an order enforcing a rule that in essence, didn't exist. "<br /><br />Well, sort of. But don't you think that kids in school should be obliged to obey the teachers. In this case the teacher was requesting compliance about a dress code. He wasn't asking something outrageous. Wasn't it the kid's bad attitude that escalated things?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50318608080015683762015-05-16T07:35:20.625+02:002015-05-16T07:35:20.625+02:00By the way, Mikeb, does it appear to you that youn...By the way, Mikeb, does it appear to you that young Mr. Marcum might be smirking a little? Is it time to drop the hammer on your idea to outlaw adolescent arrogance?Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-44420226448001150702015-05-16T07:30:42.167+02:002015-05-16T07:30:42.167+02:00Is "genocidal tyranny" one of those accu...<i>Is "genocidal tyranny" one of those accurate descriptions, Kurt[?]</i><br /><br />In the final analysis, that's what the Constitutional guarantee of the right of the individual to keep and bear arms is intended to counter. No exaggeration there, "for effect," or otherwise.Kurt '45superman' Hofmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091930034162667742noreply@blogger.com