tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post3231073660585288440..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: They Make It Too EasyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-32466688778261906752012-07-29T23:41:04.267+02:002012-07-29T23:41:04.267+02:00DG, that's some mighty fine critical thinking ...DG, that's some mighty fine critical thinking on your part.<br />Let's see: You said, "Aw Orlon- there was not a damn thing wrong with what Brian Ross actually said."<br /><br />Really? Then why did you inform us that, " ABC made clarifications and corrections on their morning program and throughout the day... It also issued an apology."<br /><br />In other words, your critical thinking tells you ABC made corrections, calrifications and AN APOLOGY because Brian Ross said nothing wrong. Just effing brilliant there, DG/<br />LMAO!!!!!!<br />orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81839073698492587982012-07-29T23:30:01.305+02:002012-07-29T23:30:01.305+02:00DG said:
The drugs aren't killing people, GUNS...DG said:<br />The drugs aren't killing people, GUNS are the key common denominator. It is the common and proximate causation in every single shooting case.<br /><br />Gee, do ya think?<br />However, what is seen as a common denominator is rational, reasonable, logical people going nuts and committing violent acts because of drugs provided by Big Pharma. So, you are correct, in the sense that guns are responsible for shootings, but drugs are the common denominator in the cases of people using bats, knives and guns, people that prior to be given these horrible drugs were fine and dandy.<br />orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-48690205743675629202012-07-29T23:16:09.145+02:002012-07-29T23:16:09.145+02:00DG, exactly which parWere you full of shit about t...DG, exactly which parWere you full of shit about the Daily Mail before, or now? <br />Seems simple enough question for someone with your supposed intellect. Even tho, I personally believe you to be a sciolist.<br />orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73818965066643356182012-07-29T01:14:43.619+02:002012-07-29T01:14:43.619+02:00Dog Gone,
1. Do you seriously expect me to discu...Dog Gone,<br /><br />1. Do you seriously expect me to discuss in an on-line forum the exact details of how I secure my guns? Suffice it to say that they are under my control. How I do that is not your concern. You draw conclusions based on your biases, but you know nothing.<br /><br />2. You dispute that my background has been checked? I've taught high school students--both in schools and as part of the Upward Bound program. They don't exactly let criminals work there. I've had my background checked by three states, and all three have issued me a license.<br /><br />3. How careful am I? I haven't shot anyone, had a negligent discharge, or dropped a gun in years of carrying. Beyond that, how do you expect me to measure my degree of care? I realize that you see carrying as a bad choice, period, but many people disagree with you there.<br /><br />4. We've argued over firearms sales before. Mostly, I buy. I've only traded one gun and that was for another, so the net change was zero. I've never sold a gun. Besides, if the elderly couple who traded rifles with me are dangerous criminals, we're all screwed.<br /><br />5. So all those people in the theater were much better off being unarmed--is that your conclusion?<br /><br />Once again, we see that you're blinded by your bias against us. But please, as I've asked you before, lay out the fallacies that you claim to see in my thinking. Don't give me tripe about your overall opinion of me or of us. Be specific.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85795490352615721662012-07-29T00:28:49.555+02:002012-07-29T00:28:49.555+02:00"So......have you found any proof yet that Ja...<i>"So......have you found any proof yet that Jade was wrong? Have you DISPROVED that the Maryland gun zombie was a member of the NRA?"</i><br /><br />Turns out that the Maryland nut was not an NRA member but was an OWS demonstrator and a Democrat. That stands as fact until proven otherwise according to the DogGone rules.<br /><br />Why are OWS supporters so violent?FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45767152256744005952012-07-28T22:33:56.644+02:002012-07-28T22:33:56.644+02:00I would dispute you have been checked out all that...I would dispute you have been checked out all that well, or that you are that careful, or that you secure your firearms adequately, or that you take care who you transfer ownership of firearms to; on that basis you are eitehr a criminal, or a pre-criminal, and not good citizens.<br /><br />So......have you found any proof yet that Jade was wrong? Have you DISPROVED that the Maryland gun zombie was a member of the NRA?<br /><br />Of course not. He was jusst another gun obssessed asshole who thought he was entitled to shoot people.<br /><br />Gun nuts are classically defined as having an unreasonable and unrealistic relationship or belief in firearms. That would include EVERY SINGLE PERSON who fails to recognize that shooting back in the Aurora Colorado theater would violated the rules of gun saftey (notably Ted Nugent, the NRA, and a number of right wing fools) and those of you who think you are clear headed and objectively connected to reality enough to decide when and when not to shoot.<br /><br />YOU fail, and you have demonstrated repeatedly your inability to engage in critical thinking or judgement.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-77713624484044647402012-07-28T20:07:46.964+02:002012-07-28T20:07:46.964+02:00And you, Dog Gone, have yet to get past the thresh...And you, Dog Gone, have yet to get past the threshold of basic statistics. You insist on making the hasty generalization that gun owners are dangerous, simply because a tiny few do bad things.<br /><br />If guns were responsible for these incidents, we'd all be dead. There are that many guns in this country. If guns were the sole element that magnified the level of violence, we'd all be dead. Something else is going on here--the inherent riskiness of life.<br /><br />On the other hand, if gun control laws prevented murder, Puerto Rico would have the lowest homicide rate in U.S. territory. It has just about the strictest laws going, and yet, it's murder rate is the highest.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20773587030459296012012-07-28T18:03:14.292+02:002012-07-28T18:03:14.292+02:00Do you know the levels of any prescribed medicatio...Do you know the levels of any prescribed medication in the shooters system at the time of the shootings in Columbine? Are you certain about the causality? If there was a solid and established causality for the shootings, don't you thinkt there would law suits over it? Are there any that you know of that I've missed?<br /><br />Do you understand causality Anonyomous? Do you have any basis for claiming that any of the other murder suicides, homicides, and assorted mass shootings like the one in Tuscaloosa Alabama a day or so ahead of the Aurora Colorado shooting were pharm driven?<br /><br />What is the common denominator is not the drugs, it is that the shooters had relatively easy access to guns. In the Columbine shooting, that included a straw purchase and gun show purchase.<br /><br />The drugs aren't killing people, GUNS are the key common denominator. It is the common and proximate causation in every single shooting case. Without guns being available those shootings would not occur.<br /><br />That guns were accumulated, that ammo was accumulated, and that these individuals had obsessions with firearms is clear. You have yet to get past that threshold of logic, and you have yet to establish a clear causation for anything other than guns.<br /><br />Without guns there could still have been problems for these individuals, but they wouldn't have killed this many people, and would have been far less likely to kill themselves.<br /><br />And that is clear in other civilized and developed countries WITHOUT OUR GUN CULTURE PROBLEM. It is our gun culture which is the massive failure, and the massive quantity of firearms that are the problem.<br /><br />When we no longer have the every-couple-of-weeks accidental gun discharges at WalMart by gun carriers - mostly legal, and all of whom would happily tell you how damned safe they are, and when we no longer have the weekly accidental deaths of children, especially very young children, from firearms -- THEN and ONLY THEN can you try blaming something other than guns.<br /><br />It is our gun culture and our gun policies and laws that are part of the problem, but at the heart of the problem are the firearms, consistently.<br /><br />You have yet to argue around that core point --- because you are unable to do so.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-55939169823221451582012-07-28T17:13:06.173+02:002012-07-28T17:13:06.173+02:00Will there be an article here about Judge Legg'...Will there be an article here about Judge Legg's ruling that the may-issue carry licensing system in Maryland is unconstitutional? I'm looking forward to seeing that work its way through the courts.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15030442028392563752012-07-28T17:09:55.228+02:002012-07-28T17:09:55.228+02:00Dog Gone, I recall your gleeful predictions that S...Dog Gone, I recall your gleeful predictions that Scott Walker would be tossed out of office in Wisconsin. Oops.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10883442439954966752012-07-28T17:08:13.398+02:002012-07-28T17:08:13.398+02:00Dog Gone, I don't have to prove a negative. J...Dog Gone, I don't have to prove a negative. Jadegold asserted a statement of fact. He has no evidence to support that assertion. My work is done. That's logic--what you claim to value.<br /><br />In addition, when have you ever given my side the same courtesy?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20931878041941422432012-07-28T17:05:23.436+02:002012-07-28T17:05:23.436+02:00Crickets, Dog Gone? That's rich, since you ne...Crickets, Dog Gone? That's rich, since you never answer direct questions posed to you. But I'll answer yours. Why should you believe us?<br /><br />1. These incidents are rare, especially in consideration of the total number of gun owners and guns in this country.<br /><br />2. Those of us with carry licenses have been checked out more thoroughly than the average and already highly safe set of gun owners.<br /><br />3. But most importantly, what your question shows is that you see us as pre-criminals, not good citizens. That's the attitude of an authoritarian, a tyrant.<br /><br />I see your crickets and raise you some seagulls.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86872785852352712172012-07-28T16:52:20.484+02:002012-07-28T16:52:20.484+02:00Yes, the Maryland thing is definitely a victory fo...Yes, the Maryland thing is definitely a victory for your side. It's moving things further in the wrong direction and guaranteeing that some people will die there who otherwise wouldn't.<br /><br />Congratulations.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-91104020072265033292012-07-28T16:14:57.896+02:002012-07-28T16:14:57.896+02:00What is ignorant is simply saying the person is a ...What is ignorant is simply saying the person is a gunloon without looking at Big Pharma as part of the problem in these 'out of the blue' killings and murders.<br />How difficult is it to see a common denominator in shootings, beatings, and hangings that happen 'out-of-the-blue'?<br />I guess it is just easier to focus on guns than to truly examine what causes a 'normal' person to go nuts.<br />orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50834580940456771902012-07-28T14:24:18.948+02:002012-07-28T14:24:18.948+02:00"t should be interesting to see what MD gover...<i>"t should be interesting to see what MD governor O'Malley has to say; he and Laci used to live next door to each other while they were in law school together...."</i><br /><br />Maybe they can have a pity party together now that Maryland's "may issue" scheme has been struck down this week making them now a "shall issue" state.<br /><br />Yup, still winning.FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-53016875832351244892012-07-28T14:20:55.523+02:002012-07-28T14:20:55.523+02:00"You told us that the requirement by the Obam...<i>"You told us that the requirement by the Obama administration for gun stores in the southwestern states was illegal on the basis of a claim by the NRA, and that turned out to be false - the Obama admin was upheld by the courts."</i><br /><br />The courts upheld Heller but that hasn't stopped Laci's crying about how they are all wrong and only he knows what is right.FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24321962391145460302012-07-28T12:06:04.480+02:002012-07-28T12:06:04.480+02:00Thanks for a most enjoyable post and comment threa...Thanks for a most enjoyable post and comment thread. The point I take from all this is there are too many unfit people out there with guns. Notwithstanding FWM's mind reading about how I feel about Maryland, there is not enough oversight and screening. This cartoon character that Jadegold posted about is a perfect illustration.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75993523243838478072012-07-28T11:19:37.323+02:002012-07-28T11:19:37.323+02:00Aw FWM, you should know the NRA isn't reliable...Aw FWM, you should know the NRA isn't reliable for information. You told us that the requirement by the Obama administration for gun stores in the southwestern states was illegal on the basis of a claim by the NRA, and that turned out to be false - the Obama admin was upheld by the courts.<br /><br />The NRA is on their way out; for a time they wielded too much power. Breaking ALEC down did a lot to neuter their extremist influence.<br /><br />Winning:http://penigma.blogspot.com/2012/07/are-voters-showing-buyers-remorse-for.html <br />and here:<br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/gun-owners-frank-luntz_n_1699140.html<br /><br />Losing: all the copy cat attempts by gun nuts after Aurora Co, all the arguments for ignoring the most important fundamental gun safety rules by those who think theater goers should have been armed and shot back.<br />And of course all of the events like this massive gun culture failure : http://penigma.blogspot.com/2012/07/another-child-dead-from-firearm.htmldog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-68929661360852822242012-07-28T11:12:56.370+02:002012-07-28T11:12:56.370+02:00I don't know if he is or if he is not an NRA m...I don't know if he is or if he is not an NRA member; I'm simply not going to fault Jade until I know which it is.<br /><br />You got proof he isn't? Then you haven't proven Jade in accurate.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85843655276539691122012-07-28T11:11:09.213+02:002012-07-28T11:11:09.213+02:00Orlon, you are funny.
Stupid as hell, ignorant as...Orlon, you are funny.<br /><br />Stupid as hell, ignorant as hell - but funny.<br /><br />Are you another one of these gun owners who claims to be safe, claims to be law abiding, and then does shit like this?<br /><br />Define mind-altering drugs by the way, and give some facts about the Columbine shooters. One of the more interesting things about the Columbine shootings is the interviews with the authors of books about the tragedy which highlight how badly wrong the reporting has been about the shooters.<br /><br />I doubt you have any facts other than possibly the names of the shooters at Columbine correct, and maybe their ages.<br /><br />Are you arguing Orlon (as in synthetic fluff for brains) that the Militia in Michigan were good guys who were law abiding gun owners? I don't apologize for any of what I said about them.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50235745863370415102012-07-28T11:06:52.502+02:002012-07-28T11:06:52.502+02:00Yup, from his writing so far, this guy is just one...Yup, from his writing so far, this guy is just one more gun nut who claims to be law abiding..... and also thinks apparently that includes planning to shoot people and blow shit up.<br /><br />So..........why should we believe any of you when you claim to be law abiding gun owners?<br /><br />crickets crickets........ more crickets?dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-42371074341531869132012-07-28T11:04:38.336+02:002012-07-28T11:04:38.336+02:00And yet he, like the guy in Colorado is one of you...And yet he, like the guy in Colorado is one of your gun nuts FWM.... what will be indicative of what side of the divide he falls on would be his love of guns and his love of violence.<br /><br />That would only argue why we need more restrictive laws, not against any existing laws or enforcement. It should be interesting to see what MD governor O'Malley has to say; he and Laci used to live next door to each other while they were in law school together....dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8053212214376843632012-07-28T11:01:27.877+02:002012-07-28T11:01:27.877+02:00Aw Orlon- there was not a damn thing wrong with wh...Aw Orlon- there was not a damn thing wrong with what Brian Ross actually said. He noted there was someone in Aurora Colorado who might be a different person, and that the name was a common one. He never accused the other person of anything; rather he described an attempt to sort out events there in progress. <br /><br />I don't think the media was fair to Ross; but to be clear, ABC made clarifications and corrections on their morning program and throughout the day, to make sure there was no confusion between the actual shooter and the old white tea party guy who wrote old white flabby crabby crap on the tea party web site, which if I recall correctly was of the usual belligerant and mean spirited nature. It also issued an apology.<br /><br />In contrast, the Breitbart site claimed inaccurately and without anything to base it on, that the shooter was a registered democrat, never made a correction, and never issued an apology.<br /><br />So the comparison is that ABC is an excellent and responsible news source with professional and ethical standards, and Breitbart is a lying sack of shit with no standards for either ethics or professional standardds of the lowest order, and a right wing propaganda bunch besides. You like that kind of right wing propaganda Orlon? Fox News is just as bad if not worse (Glenn blubber boy Beck ring a bell?)<br /><br />Here is where we're at - Jade called the latest gun nut a member of the NRA; I can't verify that, EITHER WAY, true or false YET. There are a lot of claims being made that throw that around on a lot of sites, but none that show a definitive source for the claim.<br /><br />But we also do not know definitively that he is NOT an NRA member, and he has enough qualities in common that as speculation, it isn't an unreasonable expectation. He has appeared to write on web sites where his statements either indicate he is a member, or at the very least supports the NRA agenda. It seems a small distinction to me if he walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, shits like a duck to call him a duck whether he has the little ducky membership card or not.<br /><br />He's one of yours Orlon, another one of the gun culture dangerous lunatics; he's not one of ours. He is just one more example of the massive gun culture failure.......that would be epic, massive failure.<br /><br />So that puts Jade scoring better on accuracy, and ABC scoring far better on accuracy than anything we've ever seen from you Orlon, or your sources.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56769913147994993022012-07-28T10:43:51.963+02:002012-07-28T10:43:51.963+02:00aw, Orlin, I've left off writing as an author....aw, Orlin, I've left off writing as an author.<br /><br />I can still drop by to poke holes in your comments with a sharp stick, because you are full of crap, and incapable of thinking clearly.<br /><br />Someone has to straighten out you foolish and erroneous notions about history, politics, literature, science......you are an ill educated fuckwit Orlon, apparently one with a gun.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8923751271744999672012-07-28T06:42:23.950+02:002012-07-28T06:42:23.950+02:00Oh, and in unrelated news, WINNING:
http://www.nr...Oh, and in unrelated news, WINNING:<br /><br />http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/nra-stops-un-arms-trade-treaty.aspx<br /><br />So I'm still confused. Is the NRA a paper tiger whose power is a myth or are they so big they can bring the world to their knees? I forget which it is this week.FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.com