tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post334453748578859782..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: In Louisiana They Love Their GunsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49447366515594049142013-03-12T08:36:08.277+01:002013-03-12T08:36:08.277+01:00Would you show me that again? Or provide a link to...Would you show me that again? Or provide a link to your "proof."<br /><br />I imagine you did some cherry picking in order to come up with it, but I don't remember.<br /><br />The idea that by removing guns from the equation, murderers use other tools and there is NO diminished is absurd. Please show me the "proof."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29721042686835692052013-03-11T21:02:22.169+01:002013-03-11T21:02:22.169+01:00Six posts up you said where there are stricter gun...Six posts up you said where there are stricter gun laws murder rates are lower. I said that is not true, and that I have showed proof that the correlation between Brady scores and FBI murder stats calculates out to be zero. I've done the calculations myself, and showed you the results. Note that you said "murder rates" Not gun deaths, or gun murders, but overall murders with include means other than guns. When I called you on this, you said you know the difference between gun deaths and <b>gun</b> murders. You inserted "guns" back into the metric when that was not what we were talking about. It is like you can't help it.<br /><br />So do you still stand by that statement you made? If so, how do you prove it, or disprove the data that I have shown you in the past that shows zero correlation (murder and violent crime rates as well)? Or you can accept the data and tell me why you don't feel it matters that murder rates don't correlate with gun control. That will be a hard case to make, that is why you side ignores it by making sure they say "gun death", or "gun murder", or "gun suicide". You add the word "gun" to the metric so that you can correlate it to areas with high gun ownership, but what we see when we look at the big picture is that just as many people are dying regardless.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8176547802099540372013-03-11T20:31:13.598+01:002013-03-11T20:31:13.598+01:00Sorry TS, maybe I'm not following you. Why do...Sorry TS, maybe I'm not following you. Why don't you just say what you mean.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87268911788076093452013-03-11T18:02:23.350+01:002013-03-11T18:02:23.350+01:00I said "gun death vs. murder". Again yo...I said "gun death vs. murder". Again you inserted "gun" into murder- it is like your subconscious can't help it. What does it mean to you that there is no correlation between Brady scores and murder rates? Why is that nonsense to you?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29742334805036064952013-03-11T12:47:00.057+01:002013-03-11T12:47:00.057+01:00TS, believe it or not, I know the difference betwe...TS, believe it or not, I know the difference between gun deaths and gun murders. You haven't proven shit to me using the Brady and FBI stats. Saying something or drawing nonsensical conclusions is not proof.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87524059165400665532013-03-11T12:16:33.940+01:002013-03-11T12:16:33.940+01:00You're the one proposing limits on my freedom....You're the one proposing limits on my freedom. You do the homework to show a compelling need to limit my rights, or Fuck Off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26870719001106964472013-03-09T12:58:05.043+01:002013-03-09T12:58:05.043+01:00Do your own homework to prove it wrong. I dare ya...Do your own homework to prove it wrong. I dare ya.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59524702368812718082013-03-08T20:06:41.131+01:002013-03-08T20:06:41.131+01:00It's neither biased nor dishonest to look at a...It's neither biased nor dishonest to look at a map of gun laws and gun violence and see that there's no correlation. Plenty of states with good gun laws have low rates of violence. Plenty of states with lots of gun control have high rates.<br /><br />What's biases and dishonest is to redefine what correlation means.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-153777989586556202013-03-08T19:50:14.182+01:002013-03-08T19:50:14.182+01:00Mike, you said "murder" and "violen...Mike, you said "murder" and "violent crime", but what you were thinking about was "gun death". I am not being dishonest, because what I said about murder rates and gun laws is true, and we've proved it here before. You ignore, and deny, and I have to keep reminding you how we've showed you using Brady campaign ratings and FBI data. No you say? Then prove it. Show us right now. I am sure right now you are thinking about a myriad of studies that show how right you are, but go look at them. It's "gun death"- not murder. Go look, I'll wait...<br /><br />See? The reason your sides studies don't use murder rates is because there is no correlation.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26194948272152618492013-03-08T19:44:57.966+01:002013-03-08T19:44:57.966+01:00I suppose you have stats to back that up?
Or are ...I suppose you have stats to back that up?<br /><br />Or are you just pulling that out of your ass to dress up the wild assertion you made above?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67859046625068008412013-03-08T17:35:18.666+01:002013-03-08T17:35:18.666+01:00Nice try, guys. But it's not that simple and ...Nice try, guys. But it's not that simple and you know that from the last twenty times I explained it. It's perfectly conceivable that if Chicago had loose gun laws, the murders and other violent crimes would be way higher than they are now. On the other hand, if NOLA had strict gun laws, theirs would be much lower.<br /><br />Generally speaking, where there are strict gun laws, there are lower rates of murder and violent crime. But, you guys keep denying that, it shows how biased and dishonest you are.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-80235517238482812102013-03-08T17:30:54.035+01:002013-03-08T17:30:54.035+01:00Anonymous, almost all of Chicago's violence is...Anonymous, almost all of Chicago's violence is gang and drug related. That's proof that the gun control laws work even there. In The Big Easy, on the other hand, it's not limited to that because every wife-beater and rageaholic can easily own a gun legally.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90307503016006478642013-03-08T17:02:15.854+01:002013-03-08T17:02:15.854+01:00Exactly, TS. Mikeb has decided his position befor...Exactly, TS. Mikeb has decided his position before looking at the evidence. No matter what the facts and logic say, he's already made up his mind.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27957458324274524832013-03-08T16:59:59.822+01:002013-03-08T16:59:59.822+01:00Mikeb, I do take responsibility. I wear my seat b...Mikeb, I do take responsibility. I wear my seat belt because I'm safer when I do. The law shouldn't be involved, even to the degree of a civil infraction, as TS points out. It's my choice.<br /><br />Regarding your deepest desires, yes, those are an attack on basic human rights. How would you feel if someone advocated for literacy and intelligence tests for voting? Would you feel that basic rights were being attacked? Would you respond?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25094268710761460952013-03-08T16:30:25.492+01:002013-03-08T16:30:25.492+01:00Risk a FINE. Not wearing a seat belt is an infrac...Risk a FINE. Not wearing a seat belt is an infraction- not a crime. You want to make a bunch of new crimes for us. Would you honestly be happy with only fining us?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10949248525656729122013-03-08T16:28:15.935+01:002013-03-08T16:28:15.935+01:00That's called "having your cake and eatin...That's called "having your cake and eating it too". You are doing the exact thing you are accusing the pro rights side of. See my comment below. I don't ignore New Orleans.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62155556308517244542013-03-08T16:07:05.396+01:002013-03-08T16:07:05.396+01:00You silly goose, murders are committed by murderer...You silly goose, murders are committed by murderers, not peace-loving, law-biding gun owners. SHEESH!<br /><br />New orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60619175553875898322013-03-08T15:59:42.614+01:002013-03-08T15:59:42.614+01:00Chicago has violence because of the banning of the...Chicago has violence because of the banning of the means of defense. NOLA has violence because of societal problems, in spite of good laws on guns and self defense.<br /><br />Making unsupported statements works both ways and does not qualify as a winning argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-13634018657913887342013-03-08T15:57:08.071+01:002013-03-08T15:57:08.071+01:00Yes, Dipshit, we feel attacked. Not physically, b...Yes, Dipshit, we feel attacked. Not physically, but a political attack on our rights.<br /><br />I'm sure you'll accuse us of paranoia, but you're the one who has posted, today, that we need to have our Rights (your word) infringed more than they are already and that we should lose our rights if we make any mistakes whatsoever.<br /><br />Fuck you and your constantly changing Alinsky tactics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81010770897884784312013-03-08T09:31:15.046+01:002013-03-08T09:31:15.046+01:00Thanks, Baldr.Thanks, Baldr.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-35071733810765869542013-03-08T09:30:44.069+01:002013-03-08T09:30:44.069+01:00You feel attacked? Just like when you were told t...You feel attacked? Just like when you were told to wear a seat belt or risk a fine? Grow up, Greg and take responsibility for your part.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25125551884822154542013-03-08T09:25:47.294+01:002013-03-08T09:25:47.294+01:00No, what it means is you gun rights fanatics are f...No, what it means is you gun rights fanatics are full of shit when you keep citing Chicago and ignoring NOLA.<br /><br />Chicago has lots of gun violence IN SPITE OF the gun control laws. New Orleans has lots of gun violence BECAUSE of the loose gun laws.<br /><br />See how it works?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71532895612898930972013-03-08T08:09:55.623+01:002013-03-08T08:09:55.623+01:00Mike, we've never had an issue talking about n...Mike, we've never had an issue talking about new Orleans here. If you just want to keep it simple and look at NO and Chicago, we could conclude that gun control has nothing to do with murder rates since they are both high in murders with vastly different laws. If we expand that and look everywhere we reach the same conclusion. No correlation. But you knew that from the last dozen or so time we discussed this.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17421135455546605492013-03-08T08:03:36.307+01:002013-03-08T08:03:36.307+01:00No surprise that the gun death rate (18 per 100,00...No surprise that the gun death rate (18 per 100,000) in Louisiana is the highest of all states. Not coincidentally, Louisiana is also one of the lowest for number of gun regulation laws. http://news.yahoo.com/more-gun-laws-fewer-deaths-50-state-study-224508338.htmlBaldr Odinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11818934498607763309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-55696449837230145182013-03-07T23:57:55.850+01:002013-03-07T23:57:55.850+01:00Nice statistic page. What it says is, is that ther...Nice statistic page. What it says is, is that there are more criminals in the Big Easy which means that the non-criminals need to stock up on guns and ammo. That there is whachya call common sense.<br /><br />New orlin sellersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com