tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post4663437264520317310..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Right Wing Media: Wrong! AGAIN. Still.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-7009135331612200712011-11-25T10:35:36.552+01:002011-11-25T10:35:36.552+01:00Usually FWM is the first to mention penis.Usually FWM is the first to mention penis.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41424173841833233202011-11-24T11:51:39.408+01:002011-11-24T11:51:39.408+01:00Oh, wait, I'll agree with you on one thing - R...Oh, wait, I'll agree with you on one thing - Ready isn't wearing a beard.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-1672495633088069202011-11-24T11:51:11.435+01:002011-11-24T11:51:11.435+01:00RedAz, you are clearly impaired by getting your mi...RedAz, you are clearly impaired by getting your misinformation and propaganda from the right wing media.<br /><br />J.T. Ready, criminal and dishonorably discharged ex-marine is one of <b>YOUR side, pro-gun lunatics.</b><br /><br />Apparently, he was big about showing up at tea party events. I can't find ANY evidence of his being asked to leave one of those - unlike Occupy Phoenix.<br /><br />"Opportunistic Neo-Nazi Claims to Support #OccupyPhoenix...Asked to Leave<br /><br />By David Neiwert <br /><br />Our favorite Arizona Nazi border watcher, J.T. Ready, recently reached new opportunistic depths by showing up and pretending to support Occupy Phoenix -- even though he was apparently confronted by other participants, who made it clear he wasn't welcome.<br /><br />Let's be clear: J.T. Ready is a neo-Nazi, a classic totalitarian/authoritarian, someone who despises and loathes and sneers at the kind of democracy-in-action that the Occupy movement represents. He likes chaos, though, and he sees the movement's unsettling effect as something he can use. And showing up at protests always is good for a little attention. That's why he did this.<br /><br />Predictably, as Matt Gertz at Media Matters reports, the same right-wing bloggers who have been trying to smear the Occupiers as anti-Semites picked this up and ran with it:<br /><br /> For some time, the right-wing media has been attempting to brand Occupy Wall Street and related protests as anti-Semitic. In the latest example, conservative blogger Jim Hoft is pointing to video of heavily armed Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready patrolling the Occupy Phoenix protest and saying nice things about the movement.<br /><br /> Hoft sarcastically concludes, "Yup. They're just like the tea party."<br /><br /> It's worth pointing out that much of the rhetoric Ready spouts during the video -- decrying fiat money, saying that he and others were "exercising our Second Amendment right so that everybody can have a First Amendment right," claiming that Operation Fast and Furious was intended to "take away our rights" and the perpetrators are traitors who should be put to death -- sounds much more like the rhetoric of a conservative protestor than an OWS supporter.<br /><br /> And indeed, that's the problem for Hoft: Ready previously attended and reportedly spoke at Tea Party rallies ...<br /><br />Gertz then details all the times Ready has appeared in support of tea party events.<br /><br />And who can forget Ready's recent excursion into the world of vigilante border watches? That, as it happens, is also the territory embraced by tea partiers, not Occupy.<br /><br />Along the same lines, Ready has a history of associating with -- and being empowered by -- major tea party figures in Arizona, most notably Senate President Russell Pearce, the author of SB1070, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the publicity-hound sheriff of Maricopa County."<br /><br /><br />Gosh, RedAz, I sure hope you are proud of guys like this on your pro-gun tea party side of arguments. He is just like you, isn't he?dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49903706873110281492011-11-24T00:14:38.839+01:002011-11-24T00:14:38.839+01:00"And your avatar definitely puts you in with ..."And your avatar definitely puts you in with the insecure group of men who fantasize about women who like gunz so much that they get like to flaunt their "charms" while holding onto a penis subsitute."<br /><br />You threw the penis card. That means I win.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15689030558340048752011-11-24T00:12:50.447+01:002011-11-24T00:12:50.447+01:00"He has a gun, and believes that shooting peo..."He has a gun, and believes that shooting people in government is the way to make things better. Occupy protesters don't have guns, don't advocate assassination."<br /><br />When Neo-Nazi JT Ready was providing security for an Occupy protest, he and his goons were carrying guns.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60611499677090271132011-11-22T15:33:24.455+01:002011-11-22T15:33:24.455+01:00His dirty hippie beard, worship of marijuana, beli...His dirty hippie beard, worship of marijuana, belief in "worldwide peace", ex-gang membership, and anti-war stance is all boilerplate leftism. Whether he is an actual occupier or not is up for debate, but he definitely fits in among them.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6TtmvmnjT8<br /><br />November 22, 2011 5:48 AM<br /><br />And your avatar definitely puts you in with the insecure group of men who fantasize about women who like gunz so much that they get like to flaunt their "charms" while holding onto a penis subsitute.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2962666959956513532011-11-22T13:30:54.136+01:002011-11-22T13:30:54.136+01:00And yet it appears he was never anywhere near the ...And yet it appears he was never anywhere near the protesters, was not peaceful in his opposition, was religiously deranged like many of the religious right wing fundamentalist crazies.<br /><br />Biggest way in which the shooter differs from the occupiers and most resembles the more extremist fringe of the tea partiers?<br /><br />He has a gun, and believes that shooting people in government is the way to make things better. Occupy protesters don't have guns, don't advocate assassination.<br /><br />You can't say that about the militia crazies in Georgia, you can't say that about nut jobs like Sharron Angle in Nevada with her very popular right wing claims that if they didn't get their way with the ballot box, the next alternative was the ammo box.<br /><br />Funny thing about the principles on which this country was founded - representative government - is that Sharron Angle was saying if her supporters weren't a majority, as reflected by WINNING the election, then she was willing to overthrow the majority, she was willing to shoot-up duly, properly elected representative government.<br /><br />This guy is just nuts. He doesn't really fit in with any political position.<br /><br />But he does share an overwhelming single driving force that IS like the right, an unreasoning and unfounded fear and hatred of Obama. And this is just one more instance of the right falsely propagandizing that position of fear and hatred of the President. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out this crazy guy, like others, notably Charlie Wilson in Washington state who is now behind bars, was inspired by right wing talkers like Beck and Limbaugh. Because gun nuts have been who were subsequently arrested for being dangerous.<br /><br />At least Wilson was a lawful licensed concealed carry permit dangerous nut job.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-8704114934811113482011-11-22T05:48:55.090+01:002011-11-22T05:48:55.090+01:00Apparently I was wrong. His dirty hippie beard and...Apparently I was wrong. His dirty hippie beard and worship of marijuana does not make him fit the description of an occupier.<br /><br />His dirty hippie beard, worship of marijuana, belief in "worldwide peace", ex-gang membership, and anti-war stance is all boilerplate leftism. Whether he is an actual occupier or not is up for debate, but he definitely fits in among them.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6TtmvmnjT8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6TtmvmnjT8</a>AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18901879952168289152011-11-21T20:01:41.060+01:002011-11-21T20:01:41.060+01:00RedAz described the (alleged) shooter as resemblin...RedAz described the (alleged) shooter as resembling the Occupy protesters.<br /><br />Apparently he thinks only those people - the males anyway - wear beards like this guy.<br /><br />No.<br /><br />Rather I think the shooter looks a LOT like a youger version of the four old farts down in Georgia who were going to make Ricin, and who targeted upper echelon people in the government. That would make two - no THREE! points of similarity - government targets, insanity, and ungroomed out-of-control facial hair, LOL.<br /><br />See the artists rendering here from their court appearances:<br /><br />http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/georgia/2011/11/<br /><br />Looks like there was some activity on that story last week that I had missed.<br /><br />I'll have to post something separately on that.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76948880853684751522011-11-21T19:51:10.645+01:002011-11-21T19:51:10.645+01:00democommie wrote:
"Mikeb302000:
I was assum...democommie wrote:<br /><br />"<i>Mikeb302000:<br /><br />I was assuming that Aztec Red was being held in an undisclosed locatio. </i><br /><br />With Dick Cheney? Thank god he made it back to us without getting shot in the face; it's hunting season you know.<br /><br />I was hoping he hadn't been ill, or something along those lines. I DID wonder if he'd gone off in a huff though; we've had a few regulars who do that from time to time....<br /><br />Whatever the reason for his absence, welcome back RedAz! We did miss you!dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14768265736786330742011-11-21T19:27:59.624+01:002011-11-21T19:27:59.624+01:00"I'm just going by what I read here. Ther..."I'm just going by what I read here. There have been several articles in the time that I've been visiting that have reported a bad deed by someone with a gun, then implied that concealed carry licensees are therefore bad, even though the original source never gives any evidence that the shooter had a license or even bought the gun legally."<br /><br />Greg Camp:<br /><br />Please take a look at the masthead, here. It doesn't indicate that this is or is a subsidary of a MAJOR media outlet. Let me know when you see a headline in the NYT, WaPo, LA Times or some broadcast or major cable outlet that says, "Oregon gun owner with CCW and ties to the NRA attempts to assasinate president". <br /><br />The chances of such a headline being on any reputable news org's print, broadcast, cable or internet "page", without pretty exhaustive vetting are as likely as Herman Cain being able to make a decent pizza.<br /><br />Mikeb302000:<br /><br />I was assuming that Aztec Red was being held in an undisclosed locatio.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75217714772076721212011-11-21T16:33:32.359+01:002011-11-21T16:33:32.359+01:00Democommie,
I'm just going by what I read her...Democommie,<br /><br />I'm just going by what I read here. There have been several articles in the time that I've been visiting that have reported a bad deed by someone with a gun, then implied that concealed carry licensees are therefore bad, even though the original source never gives any evidence that the shooter had a license or even bought the gun legally. That sounds exactly like what the right-wing talkers are doing with regard to the White House shooter and the Occupy movement.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-39582410457522308102011-11-21T12:32:05.983+01:002011-11-21T12:32:05.983+01:00RedAz wrote:
"With his dirty hippie beard an...RedAz wrote:<br /><br />"With his dirty hippie beard and worship of marijuana, he definitely fits the description of an Occupier. "<br /><br />Really? and you know what exactly about occupiers? There are plenty of people on the right who are advocating for changes in marijuana laws btw; including a few here.<br /><br />The occupiers are not hippies, and so far as I can tell from more reputable sources than the unethical Nut Gingrich, they are not characteristically either dirty or big pot 'worshipers' or 'users'. You need to provide proof of that contention which as usual you won't be able or willing to do.<br /><br />Unless you changed while you were gone?<br /><br />Where were you, and what brought you back? Laci and I speculated about your sudden disappearance, and hoped you were ok while you were gone.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15718786740733456802011-11-21T08:55:25.547+01:002011-11-21T08:55:25.547+01:00democommie, I'm not sure what you mean, I thou...democommie, I'm not sure what you mean, I thought AztecRed was avoiding us on his own accord. I sure hope no one suggested he stay away, he's one of our oldest and most loyal.<br /><br />Welcome back, AztecRed.<br /><br />FWM, I don't agree that the liberal media is as bad as the Fox News folks in lying and twisting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16894490834232008912011-11-21T07:32:34.330+01:002011-11-21T07:32:34.330+01:00Greg Camp:
Please see my previous comment. Pleas...Greg Camp:<br /><br />Please see my previous comment. Please refer to other, earlier comments wherein I called you an "idiot", "moron" or other sort of bonehead. <br /><br />When FoxSnooze, Douche Limpblow or ANY of the LFP* who give the 26%ers their opinions start doing that sort of thing, then you might have what is called, "equivalency"--until then, you're talkin' outcher ass. <br /><br />I see Aztec Red has gotten internet privileges again.<br /><br /><br />*Liars For Paydemocommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26108726798043072782011-11-21T04:25:18.628+01:002011-11-21T04:25:18.628+01:00With his dirty hippie beard and worship of marijua...With his dirty hippie beard and worship of marijuana, he definitely fits the description of an Occupier.AztecRedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00027951757285806109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-33732233346559685302011-11-20T20:58:06.166+01:002011-11-20T20:58:06.166+01:00Of course, it's O.K. to imply a connection bet...Of course, it's O.K. to imply a connection between any person who does something stupid with a firearm and concealed carry licensees, though. In that case, we don't need evidence, since belief is all the proof required.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-23909067533107074892011-11-20T17:24:50.951+01:002011-11-20T17:24:50.951+01:00FatWhiteMan:
"if he had instead ran to a Tea...FatWhiteMan:<br /><br />"if he had instead ran to a Tea Party rally, how many of you would be willing to make the leap the other way?"<br /><br />You may have noticed that I and thousands of other bloggers, as well as all of the hundreds of leftwingrant radioheads out there, plus "Sissynews--the voice of the 47%er welfare cheats, commies and teh GAY" all, IMMEDIATELY jumped to that conclusion in on-air, internet and print forums. Oh, I'm sorry, that's not correct.<br /><br />The proof is in the recantation. I'm sure that that Blimpblow and the rest of the reichwing talkingshitheads will be trotting out apologies and retractions, ASAP.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75363979919355234192011-11-20T17:21:35.663+01:002011-11-20T17:21:35.663+01:00There is in fact no evidence that anyone 'obvi...There is in fact no evidence that anyone 'obviously ran to an OW DC camp', FWM.<br /><br />Or do you have a factual source of which I am unaware?<br /><br />Because if Hernandez didn't run to an OWDC camp, doesn't appear to have ever been there, and would have had to sign in if he had, then you seem to be on pretty thin ground in this comparison.<br /><br />Further if someone has made comments linking them to a common purpose or supporting a premise or policy position of a group, that would be another reason to link them to that group.<br /><br />But there don't appear to be any of those EITHER to link Hernandez to OWDC protests. I'm reasonably confident that no one at the Occupy DC protests believed in shooting at the White House, or that Hernandez was Jesus Christ, or that Obama is the Antichrist.<br /><br />That last one, about Obama being the antichrist does seem reminiscent however of some of the rhetoric of Glenn Beck and other right wing tea party extremists. And NO, I don't think that makes the crazy shooter a tea partier. But it does make some of the tea partiers equally crazy.dog gonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00151618317070878675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-37868060459084705922011-11-20T17:16:29.769+01:002011-11-20T17:16:29.769+01:00Obviously running to a OW DC camp does not make yo...Obviously running to a OW DC camp does not make you a member.<br /><br />I wonder though, if he had instead ran to a Tea Party rally, how many of you would be willing to make the leap the other way? I would say if that happened, it would have been all over this blog and MSNCBC as "fact" with minutes.FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.com