tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post4688541393725712261..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Sebastian on GlockAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-55142606379854652422009-09-15T17:20:22.724+02:002009-09-15T17:20:22.724+02:00The comparison to Madoff was stupid, I admit.So wh...<i>The comparison to Madoff was stupid, I admit.</i><br><br>So why make the comparison--did you think that <i>we</i> are too stupid to notice, and call you on it?<br><br><i> . . . except for the fact that they make one of your favorite little playthings.</i><br><br>"Little playthings"? And on what do you base your accusation that those of us who comment here <i>play</i> with guns, rather than treat them with the respect appropriate for tools that can wound or kill (and every once in a great while--about 70,000 times per year in the U.S., or 70,000 times per, say, 250 million guns, or .028% of guns per year--<i>are</i> used or misused to wound or kill)?<br><br>As for "defending" Glock, as Weer'd Beard asked, who is doing that? If it makes you feel any better, though, I've never owned a Glock, and probably never will. Decent, effective sidearms, but not really my cup of tea.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10018333747052412839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49829483254537013302009-09-14T20:05:59.169+02:002009-09-14T20:05:59.169+02:00Who's defending?
If they broke the law, they ...Who's defending?<br /><br />If they broke the law, they broke the law. I'm not a tax attorney, so I'll leave it at that.<br /><br />As a gunnie I'm near 100% they have violated no gun laws.<br /><br />Honestly I wouldn't loose any sleep about glock personally. They make a decent gun at a reasonable price. I think they're a bit bulky, heavy, and have some very questionable cost-saving measures in them (like their cheap plastic sights, and their cheap plastic guide rods), they have an odd grip angle that doesn't point naturally for me, so even if I could easily buy one in Mass, I wouldn't bother.<br /><br />I fail to see anybody defending their actions of tax sheltering (tho some are suggesting the tax system is crappy...I'd agree with that).<br /><br />And you complain about us putting words in YOUR mouth.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-12277196198238737542009-09-14T19:02:01.201+02:002009-09-14T19:02:01.201+02:00The comparison to Madoff was stupid, I admit.
My ...The comparison to Madoff was stupid, I admit.<br /><br />My idea about the Glock company though is that what they were getting up to was a good bit more than hiding a little money from the taxman. These guys were stealing from each other, stealing from the boss, creating shell companies no one was supposed to know about, skimming a few bucks off each gun sale and sending it to the islands, not to hide it from the government but to hide it from each other. <br /><br />Then, of course, as if that's not shabby enough, one partner tried to have the boss killed. <br /><br />A nest of vipers is what they are. And it's amazing that you try to defend them. That was the point of my post, questioning Sebastian's remark that there was nothing illegal going on.<br /><br />I can't imagine any of you guys defending those kinds of business ethics, except for the fact that they make one of your favorite little playthings.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17555464356034896562009-09-14T17:33:07.825+02:002009-09-14T17:33:07.825+02:00Note also that while the two topics are dissimilar...Note also that while the two topics are dissimilar, Mike's spin on the stories are just as dissimilar!<br /><br />Remember, Mike thinks that, Like Michael Vick, Madoff got a bad rap, and white collar criminals shouldn't serve in prison.Weer'd Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13528978001340070552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70851509679127517472009-09-14T13:37:34.424+02:002009-09-14T13:37:34.424+02:00Is Glock accused of running a ponzi scheme defraud...Is Glock accused of running a ponzi scheme defrauding thousands of people, including robbing some of their life savings? My mistake--I thought they were merely accused of illegally hiding their own money, in order to protect it from the leviathan government's legal theft.<br><br>If you don't see the obvious, enormous, and fundamental difference between the two, I can't help you.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02915761025832239896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60787113898803307982009-09-14T13:37:31.160+02:002009-09-14T13:37:31.160+02:00Mike, that's pathetic. If your assertion were ...Mike, that's <i>pathetic</i>. If your assertion were any more orthogonal to fact or reason, you'd be Markadelphia. What Bernie Madoff did was to engage in <i>fraud</i> in the course of voluntary exchange, and he got what he had coming. Fraud is a form of <i>aggression.</i> Aggression by one against another is impermissible in a free and just society. <i>That</i> is the <i>natural</i> law. Positive law is another matter entire. Taxation compels you to involuntary servitude (because the state will ultimately kill you if you don't pay), forcing you to work for someone else at the direction of the state (as they redistribute the funds taken from you by force) before you work for your own family.<br /><br />Note also, by the way, that Madoff got away with it as long as he did with the connivance, or at least benign neglect, of the government. Absent the fiction of regulation, people would need to be -- and in fact would be -- a lot more attentive to their due diligence.<br /><br />Do people deserve a return on their money without risk. They. Do. NOT. Interest-bearing accounts assume risk; that's why they pay interest. Government intervention to remove risk from interest-bearing accounts creates moral hazard, leading to increasingly imprudent behavior. After all, the taxpayer is waiting to pick up the tab!<br /><br />It seems to me you're cherry-picking facts and/or assuming facts not in evidence to support your magical-thinking <i>weltanschauung</i>.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-58731809723592677362009-09-14T08:20:25.740+02:002009-09-14T08:20:25.740+02:00Ken and Beowulf, Did you have the same comments ab...Ken and Beowulf, Did you have the same comments about Bernie Madoff? Were they nothing more than "tax crimes and skimming money" to you?<br /><br />It seems to me like you're defending the Glock company in a way you wouldn't for some non-gun entity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-11028799177388612182009-09-14T05:18:08.917+02:002009-09-14T05:18:08.917+02:00Another thing: if you want to better understand Se...Another thing: if you want to better understand Sebastian's point of view, wouldn't it make more sense to ask him, rather than whomever happens to decide to comment?beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02915761025832239896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10767534683117178482009-09-14T04:18:42.448+02:002009-09-14T04:18:42.448+02:00What cj said. The "laws" Glock is allege...What cj said. The "laws" Glock is alleged to have broken do not comport with the natural law, and therefore cannot bind in conscience, but can only be given force <i>by</i> force. Compliance is tactical, not obligatory, and if someone can figure out how to starve Leviathan, don't expect me to be upset about it.<br />Anonymous at 11:13 am must have forgotten about the fairly recent history of Smith & Wesson. American gun owners ran S&W into bankruptcy after their deal with the Clinton claque; the company ultimately was sold to a much smaller firm in the western U.S., who succeeded in turning it around.<br /><br />Gun owners weren't any too thrilled with Bill Ruger either, upon a time, and if you want to get beyond politics (and could use a chuckle), search on the phrase "H&K: Because you suck, and we hate you" sometime.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04780425923108876647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14314099134573556402009-09-13T17:26:57.370+02:002009-09-13T17:26:57.370+02:00Let me be sure I have this right: the "crimes...Let me be sure I have this right: the "crimes" of which Glock are being accused (in the court of public opinion, where the burden of proof is, well . . . nonexistent) are nothing more than <i>tax</i> "crimes"? In other words, they're accused of skimming money that the feds have ruled that <i>they</i> should be skimming instead?<br><br>To be honest, it's a little tough for me to decide for whom I have less sympathy--the tupperware gun corporation, or the federal behemoth.beowulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02915761025832239896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-73417953479462315042009-09-13T14:47:14.378+02:002009-09-13T14:47:14.378+02:00Sadly, the main outcome of this will likely be an ...Sadly, the main outcome of this will likely be an increase in the cost of Glocks, which are already sold at a rather huge profit margin. With all of the preferential treatment government agencies can get for purchasing their goods, I doubt much would come of the investigations, even if proven true.cjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434394029715703215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70347778704276624302009-09-13T13:45:24.143+02:002009-09-13T13:45:24.143+02:00http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/problems.html
...http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/problems.html <br /><br />Jannuzzo has a big axe to grind with Glock. Remember why he was fired? He admitted on 60 minutes that GLOCK was cooperating with the ATF on a database of all guns.<br /><br />Mike123Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52527929811896949482009-09-13T11:13:30.976+02:002009-09-13T11:13:30.976+02:00American law enforcement and American government i...American law enforcement and American government in general does business with a lot of shady companies. This wouldn't be the first one. <br /><br />Almost all of the pro-gun posters I've seen on the internet are major apologists for guns in general. They'll excuse anything if a gun is involved. <br /><br />So, in keeping with the comments you will get, "Glock is an amazing company."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com