tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5001868576898212032..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: Mayor Bloomberg on the Background Check SystemAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72492158059559152112012-04-13T21:45:39.118+02:002012-04-13T21:45:39.118+02:00As we've discussed, that homicide rate isn'...As we've discussed, that homicide rate isn't much higher than the U.K.'s, especially when compared to other nations. In addition, you've been shown that homicide rates and gun laws have little to do with each other. How can a nation with strict gun laws have a high rate, while a nation with good laws have a low rate? Your side claims that strict gun laws lower crime, but the evidence tells us that there are other reasons at work. Why should we change our laws for nothing?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-87438305184097707532012-04-13T16:49:21.893+02:002012-04-13T16:49:21.893+02:00Greg, you keep saying that but it's still not ...Greg, you keep saying that but it's still not true. The UK is proof. Criminals will only get guns if they are available. With proper gun control laws, you law-abidig gun owners would be constrained to hold onto your guns much more than you do now. Then, like England, we would have a safer society with an intentional homicide rate that not something to be ashamed of.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-18122877109557159592012-04-13T16:14:29.623+02:002012-04-13T16:14:29.623+02:00Anonymous Swede (who's sounding more and more ...Anonymous Swede (who's sounding more and more like Mikeb or Democommie), do you realize that these laws apply only to people who obey them? You may have a more law abiding society, and good for you, but nothing in what you named will keep criminals from getting guns. America has long and porous borders through which all kinds of illegal goods and persons pass every day. The laws that you listed only make it difficult for law-abiding citizens to own guns or to defend themselves with guns.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47751422034513765522012-04-13T15:57:34.473+02:002012-04-13T15:57:34.473+02:00I don't know anyone who would object to disarm...I don't know anyone who would object to disarming the examples that you gave. Those two are violent criminals. But the people who will get disarmed under your schemes are good citizens. Criminals will have guns regardless.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67274518095616113222012-04-13T09:13:44.449+02:002012-04-13T09:13:44.449+02:00Unfit people shouldn't have guns. When someone...Unfit people shouldn't have guns. When someone beats the shit out of his wife with the barrel of his 1911 and the judge rules that he should give up his guns, do you object to that?<br /><br />When a lawful gun owner commits a felony by shooting at the Jehovah's Witnesses who came to sell him Jesus, do you object to his being deprived of his guns?<br /><br />Call it whatever you want, but unfit people should not have guns. Do you really disagree with that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86157824250198271152012-04-13T08:07:52.014+02:002012-04-13T08:07:52.014+02:00TS, not according to me, but according to quite a ...TS, not according to me, but according to quite a lot of the gun nuts, their "god given right" to hoard weapons is to "protect" them from a future (or according to some of them, todays) possible "evil" goverment, where they would protect themselevs aganst the goverment and its minors (invcluding the military). And if you accept that premise, the goverment has those weapons (and quite a owerwhelming conversional military force also if you dont agree with those more extreme nuts)<br />(that it doesnt work in practice (see the cults that have tried to keep them out with guns) is another thing...<br />---------<br /><br />Greg Camp<br /><br />No problem, as I said, we dont try to invade other contries anymore, not even the bastards in Denmark ;-) ...<br />(it would be interresting to find out what evil laws you are thankfull to not have however, and why??<br /><br />That we have few weapons so few people get shot, accidentialy or otherwise, that we have demands on the weaponowners to have them locked so children (or burglars) dont get to them easily, or that we have strigent test for permits (no "buying over the counter" for Joe Anonymous in a gun exibition show)?<br />Or is it the above, that we probably would lose if our goverment/military turned against us (and they doesnt even have nukes). <br />Or that we have less weapons to use if the evil commi...eh "islam terrorists" invade us?<br /><br />Please tell!...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-89872623312479363092012-04-12T20:03:08.205+02:002012-04-12T20:03:08.205+02:00I've seen gun grabbers say, well, so long as w...I've seen gun grabbers say, well, so long as we compensate gun owners for the guns that we take, it's not confiscation. It's our job to see that this never even moves beyond the the stage of ridicule.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-63048711238821129152012-04-12T18:36:13.399+02:002012-04-12T18:36:13.399+02:00Confiscation means guns were taken away. Are you ...Confiscation means guns were taken away. Are you suggesting that in your proposals you would grandfather in all current gun owners? So after you become king and institute your ideals, and there is a known raging alcoholic with an assortment of 30 guns- that person would be allowed to keep their guns?TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20087867260175933662012-04-12T15:30:43.583+02:002012-04-12T15:30:43.583+02:00Anonymous Swede, the more you tell us about the la...Anonymous Swede, the more you tell us about the laws of your country, the more pleased I am to be an American.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-9913507569892196282012-04-12T11:10:56.727+02:002012-04-12T11:10:56.727+02:00We know.We know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-88394846324888904542012-04-12T11:09:02.778+02:002012-04-12T11:09:02.778+02:00Sorry TS, that's not confiscation. That's...Sorry TS, that's not confiscation. That's requiring stricter qualifications.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-27655786058173254542012-04-12T04:57:13.605+02:002012-04-12T04:57:13.605+02:00"as I am sure the NRA people would be able to..."as I am sure the NRA people would be able to overthrew their own (nuclear backed) army/goverment if they turned evil"<br /><br />Hold on, you are saying the United States would <b>nuke</b> its own people to counter an uprising of armed citizens?TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71141162406121189142012-04-12T04:54:36.649+02:002012-04-12T04:54:36.649+02:00Five times higher is NOT low, esp. since its a ave...Five times higher is NOT low, esp. since its a average value (I assume you have slightly higher numbers in your main cities than average?)<br /><br />And we are still only talking about murders, I read somewhere that "accidental shootings" in homes is a large percentage of weapon related deaths (and they are not counted into "murders" (even if some of them probably are)), <br />Here we have hard tests and checks for wannabee weaponskeepers and hard rules for weaponskeeping (my fathers weaponcabinet/box is more like a safe), those rules makes accidental shootings in homes almost unheard of...<br />we are responsible for how the weapons are kept (as "not getting in minors hands" or being easily taken in burglaries aso.)<br />(even hunting related shootings are few here, somebody like Dick Cheeney would NOT get to keep his weapons/license here after his f**kup)<br /><br />Handguns (the few we have for targetshooting its NOT for "protection") are hard to get permits for..<br />(and btw, our rules also keeps people from storing a multitude of weapons more sutiable for a small army, or military weapons)<br />(and forget "concealed weapons" or even being armed on the street/in a city if you are not a member of the police (or military (and they have strictly enforced rules about how to use them))<br /><br />And I dont understand your point that the Czech (and we) murder less of each others with guns than your citizens? <br />Is it a reason for you to have slack weaponlaws that Your people obviously use those weapons to murder (and kill) more people than the czech people or us?<br />(it should be the reverse, you should have HARDER rules if your population are more killcrazy than other)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75038922534252799272012-04-12T04:44:13.652+02:002012-04-12T04:44:13.652+02:00MikeB: "Did you take the time to see that my ...MikeB: "Did you take the time to see that my "whining about gun control" does not include bans or confiscations? I would like to see stricter controls in order to keep guns in the right hands. That's all."<br /><br />Of course it includes confiscations. You clearly want to confiscate guns from what you call "the wrong hands", and you have been very clear that somewhere between 10% and 50% of current gun owners are "the wrong hands". You are playing that trick again where to you the word “confiscation” means removing every gun from every private citizen.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45780292354914115042012-04-11T22:23:30.853+02:002012-04-11T22:23:30.853+02:00Anonymous Swede, 0.86, 1.67, and 4.8 are all withi...Anonymous Swede, 0.86, 1.67, and 4.8 are all within four of each other. The middle is twice the lowest, and the highest is five times the lowest, but as I said before, that's an artifact of the low value of each. You're going on as if five times something is huge by itself, but five times one is five. Neither one nor five is a large number. Especially the comparison of Sweden to the Czech Republic is being histrionic. Yes, the latter has twice the former, but twice is only because both are very low.<br /><br />I don't have figures for the accidental shootings in Europe that you keep going on about, but do you have a point there?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85612733517341417012012-04-11T21:05:29.690+02:002012-04-11T21:05:29.690+02:00Not "Everyone agrees criminals should not hav...Not "Everyone agrees criminals should not have guns."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76200865703714692512012-04-11T21:01:05.390+02:002012-04-11T21:01:05.390+02:00"No one else calls me son around here."
..."No one else calls me son around here."<br />You mean that you accidentaly shot your son? (I didnt refer to you, rather the "oops, sorry I shot you in the dark my son"-comment You will never hear here!)<br />(And no, I am not the same person You refer to!)<br /><br />And back to the data.... <br />It is almost twice the murderrate in the Czech republik than in sweden....<br />(or "in the USA, there are only slightly 4 more gun murders/100000..." if you prefere that.... )<br /><br />Thats NOT including "accidental" shootings <br /><br />Could you present your numbers (murders/gun murders (and preferable "accidental murders) thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84470734000273621162012-04-11T20:07:35.664+02:002012-04-11T20:07:35.664+02:00Is Democommie posting as an anonymous Swede? No o...Is Democommie posting as an anonymous Swede? No one else calls me son around here.<br /><br />But let's consider what he had to say. The Czech murder rate per hundred thousand is 1.67, while the Swedish rate is 0.86. Do you notice that it's a difference of less than one person per hundred thousand? Now I realize that Europeans don't have constitutional protections of guns, but here in America, we get irritable when people try to take away our rights while at the same time having no comprehension of how to analyze data.<br /><br />But we get irritable when people try to take away our rights, period. Ask George III, if you need more information.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5599061142841953842012-04-11T17:52:54.019+02:002012-04-11T17:52:54.019+02:00(OK, i meant "slightly more than half" a...(OK, i meant "slightly more than half" about swedish/czech murder rate...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76810309631409681012012-04-11T17:32:49.388+02:002012-04-11T17:32:49.388+02:00I forgot...
please include "accidental deaths...I forgot...<br />please include "accidental deaths" by guns in those numers if you find any!<br />"oops, sorry son!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-80702339404338641352012-04-11T17:28:17.789+02:002012-04-11T17:28:17.789+02:00Actualy, we (as in "the swedish people" ...Actualy, we (as in "the swedish people" started to live well in the the 1900s, Before, during our "imperial years" when we where making wars, our people starved more often than not...<br />(and we have had a few "Gustav Adolf", the last one lived between 1882-1973, he was OK, and DIDNT start wars.<br />(btw, Sweden and Denmark is the two contries that has been having wars the most, up to a little more than a hundred years ago it was unusual with peace between us, but nowdays, we are at peace (we even have a bridge between our contrys nowdays a couple of kilometers from where I live) It realy sucked being a "normal" swedish citizen during our "glory days" when we where invading other contries and our goverment invested in that instead of the people....<br /><br /><br />Btw, Czech republic murder rate is 1.67, Sweden have 0.86 (less than half), USA have 4.8 (all per 100000 citizens for a year)<br /><br />(thats ALL murders, not only gun related, feel free to produce numbers only including guns, I dont think they will show Czech republic better than Sweden however...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84748653487817926412012-04-11T17:25:20.590+02:002012-04-11T17:25:20.590+02:00High definition isn't a universally good thing...High definition isn't a universally good thing.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-54802085218346164462012-04-11T16:33:32.987+02:002012-04-11T16:33:32.987+02:00Oh, how the mighty have fallen. The Swedes used t...Oh, how the mighty have fallen. The Swedes used to be the conquering Norsemen who struck terror into England and France and the Mediterranean and on and on. Sweden had a glorious run under Gustavus Adolphus, but no more. Do be careful about buying into the European and snobbish attitude about the United States.<br /><br />But why don't you have a look at the Czech Republic--lots of guns, but a low murder rate. How can that be?Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-4353859362350688032012-04-11T16:27:33.209+02:002012-04-11T16:27:33.209+02:00Are you sure that this isn't a Democommie sock...Are you sure that this isn't a Democommie sockpuppet?<br /><br />Regardless, the NRA is doing just about everything that I want from it. ALEC only has influence because voters allow things to be so. That's true about anyone's money in politics.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-82425357353657973342012-04-11T16:24:27.343+02:002012-04-11T16:24:27.343+02:00Mikeb, haven't I shown you that I hold a numbe...Mikeb, haven't I shown you that I hold a number of leftist positions? But of course, orthodoxy is more important than free thought.<br /><br />K55f, I'm glad to see more variety in the gun rights side. We need to recognize gun owners on all positions along the political spectrum.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com