tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post5738170582459566213..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: New York Marks Fewest Murders EverAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-82034782811569605642010-01-04T08:24:04.465+01:002010-01-04T08:24:04.465+01:00Keep posting stuff like this i really like it.Keep posting stuff like this i really like it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-21676978148066324692010-01-02T23:23:32.494+01:002010-01-02T23:23:32.494+01:00Nope. That's not an answer MikeB
Which new l...Nope. That's not an answer MikeB<br /><br />Which new laws were passed? Simnple question.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79455386642490989702010-01-02T17:07:16.134+01:002010-01-02T17:07:16.134+01:00Here's the answer.
"There are new gun re...Here's the answer.<br /><br />"There are new gun regulations which monitor FFLs and crack down on the crooked ones."<br /><br />JadeGold makes many claims. Are those NYC or fedearal regulations? When were they implemented?<br /><br />If there have been changes in NYC gun regulations, then they only affect NYC dealers.<br /><br />But according to gun control advocates, NYC's gun problems come from NON-NYC dealers.FishyJaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-71150036654021453422010-01-02T09:27:52.451+01:002010-01-02T09:27:52.451+01:00Mike W. said, "Heh, as usual you anti's h...Mike W. said, <i>"Heh, as usual you anti's haven't answered the question?"</i><br /><br />I think JadeGold did answer the question. Was it not to your satisfaction? Is that what you mean by "didn't answer." Mike, for one who calls others out on every possible occasion, you should be more careful with the truth. If the question was answered, you should stop saying it hasn't been. Ya follow?<br /><br />Here's the answer.<br /><br /><i>"There are new gun regulations which monitor FFLs and crack down on the crooked ones."</i>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-70186031274290935502010-01-02T00:21:33.336+01:002010-01-02T00:21:33.336+01:00Heh, as usual you anti's haven't answered ...Heh, as usual you anti's haven't answered the question?<br /><br />Which new laws MikeB?<br /><br />What Jade said was untrue.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-44937852801584094952009-12-31T18:13:43.449+01:002009-12-31T18:13:43.449+01:00RuffRdr - It's complete BS from Jade, which is...RuffRdr - It's complete BS from Jade, which is quite typical for him.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-68440288313713964712009-12-31T16:00:21.436+01:002009-12-31T16:00:21.436+01:00No one has answered my question on what the new la...No one has answered my question on what the new laws are. Are there any, or is this more hot air?RuffRidrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597758856457029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85845462469185622052009-12-31T09:08:24.738+01:002009-12-31T09:08:24.738+01:00Sevesteen, You probably know the laws in New York ...Sevesteen, You probably know the laws in New York better than I do, but I know they're know for gun intolerance, especially in the city of Bloomberg (sometimes mistakenly written as Bloomfield).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-61767117165270571152009-12-31T08:32:00.688+01:002009-12-31T08:32:00.688+01:00kaveman said, "And yet,in the late 1920's...kaveman said, <i>"And yet,in the late 1920's when any 12 year old with 17 felony convictions could walk into a hardware store and buy a full-auto Tommy gun with no paperwork and no questions asked, NYC's crime numbers were lower."</i><br /><br />Then JadeGold picked it apart.<br /><br />Actually I think kaveman makes a good point, even if the example is not literally accurate. The point is there are other factors besides the easy availability of firearms. No one I know has ever denied this. But it seems the gun lovers want to ignore the fact that the availability of guns is one of the factors, and one of the most concrete about which something could be done. The other factors like poverty, poor education, overcrowding and all the rest are being addressed, but to leave the gun availability out of the picture, which is what I think kaveman and the others try to do, is wrong.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-26368071993610879482009-12-31T02:08:21.932+01:002009-12-31T02:08:21.932+01:00Which strict laws other than the long-standing Fel...Which strict laws other than the long-standing Felon in Possession restrictions are the ones that help reduce crime, and how do they do that?Sevesteenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439626386416115766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-10854034306119869002009-12-31T00:49:39.661+01:002009-12-31T00:49:39.661+01:00Mikeb: As JadeGold mentioned there have been some ...Mikeb: As JadeGold mentioned there have been some changes in gun laws.<br /><br />If there have been changes in NYC gun laws, then they only affect NYC dealers.<br /><br />But according to gun control advocates, NYC's gun problems come from NON-NYC dealers.<br /><br />Contradiction?FishyJaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-67314339112143561722009-12-30T21:21:09.738+01:002009-12-30T21:21:09.738+01:00"Actually that's wrong for two reasons. A..."Actually that's wrong for two reasons. As JadeGold mentioned there have been some changes in gun laws."<br /><br />Just out of curiosity, what are the new laws? Could somebody provide a detailed rundown of the changes?RuffRidrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597758856457029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69054702011824447722009-12-30T21:18:44.119+01:002009-12-30T21:18:44.119+01:00"Somehow or other, factors such as poverty, o..."Somehow or other, factors such as poverty, overcrowding and despair never seem to be included in their calculations."<br /><br />Quite the contrary Democommie. I believe those factors have a much greater impact on crime in a city than the availability of guns. That's why I cringe anytime I see a mayor like Daley "get tough on crime" by trying to pass yet another gun law or wasting money on a gun buyback, or some other equally pointless endeavor. <br /><br />I'm glad we can agree that our politicians should be focusing their resources elsewhere.RuffRidrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597758856457029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-330959801341120142009-12-30T21:14:28.656+01:002009-12-30T21:14:28.656+01:00Mike W. said, "Gun laws have nothing to do wi...Mike W. said, <i>"Gun laws have nothing to do with it, since NYC hasn't made any significant changes to its gun laws in recent years."</i><br /><br />Actually that's wrong for two reasons. As JadeGold mentioned there have been some changes in gun laws. But more importantly, it's having the strict gun laws on the books that makes it possible to enforce them. To whatever degree the improved police techniques are involved, the strict gun laws have to be in place in order for those techniques to work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81413705635185946602009-12-30T20:23:49.890+01:002009-12-30T20:23:49.890+01:00JadeGold:
One of the great bulwarks of truthiness...JadeGold:<br /><br />One of the great bulwarks of truthiness that 2A types rely on is the canard that big cities with stringent gun laws have more crime than other big cities with lax or non-existent gun laws.<br /><br />Somehow or other, factors such as poverty, overcrowding and despair never seem to be included in their calculations.democommiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714733977927594559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-14005228505716792312009-12-30T20:20:25.482+01:002009-12-30T20:20:25.482+01:00Gun laws have nothing to do with it, since NYC has...Gun laws have nothing to do with it, since NYC hasn't made any significant changes to its gun laws in recent years. The gun laws were the same back when murders were high as they are today.<br /><br /><i>There are new gun regulations which monitor FFLs and crack down on the crooked ones.</i><br /><br />Nope. They may be cracking down on FFL's but that's through enforcement of existing regulations not passage of new ones.Mike W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03425962910696301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79316371031296569142009-12-30T20:02:41.848+01:002009-12-30T20:02:41.848+01:00Kavey just makes up facts as he goes along.
"...Kavey just makes up facts as he goes along.<br /><br />"And yet,in the late 1920's when any 12 year old with 17 felony convictions could walk into a hardware store and buy a full-auto Tommy gun with no paperwork and no questions asked, NYC's crime numbers were lower."<br /><br />Whenever I see a Kavey comment--it's like Sudoku to me. How many errors, lies, and misrepresentations can I find?<br /><br />Let's see; the Sullivan Act was enacted in 1911 in NY state which made it a crime to possess or carry firearms without a license.<br /><br />The Tommy Gun was unavailable through US retailers in the late 1920s, so the hardware store wouldn't be selling them. The military and some law enforcement agencies procured them; additionally, they were smuggled into the US by various Irish criminal gangs.<br /><br />A 12 yo couldn't purchase any gun--let alone a Tommy gun.<br /><br />A 12 yo with 17 felony convictions in the late 1920s wouldn't be walking around free in those days. In point of fact, merely being labelled "delinquent" in those days--let alone convicted of 17 felonies--meant state reformatory.<br /><br />Were NYC's crime numbers lower? Since reliable stats weren't compiled until 1963, Kavey's claim is unsubstantiated.<br /><br />It's amazing.<br /><br />--JadeGoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-25633540966267574322009-12-30T17:57:19.457+01:002009-12-30T17:57:19.457+01:00And yet,in the late 1920's when any 12 year ol...And yet,in the late 1920's when any 12 year old with 17 felony convictions could walk into a hardware store and buy a full-auto Tommy gun with no paperwork and no questions asked, NYC's crime numbers were lower.<br /><br />Go figure.kavemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20674511237685485952009-12-30T17:42:16.089+01:002009-12-30T17:42:16.089+01:00"That's exactly what is happening. He is ..."That's exactly what is happening. He is enforcing laws that are already on the books. "<br /><br />Actually, no.<br /><br />There are new gun regulations which monitor FFLs and crack down on the crooked ones.<br /><br />BTW, the NRA opposed this tooth and nail.<br /><br />--JadeGoldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-50085089673775834012009-12-30T16:39:31.446+01:002009-12-30T16:39:31.446+01:00If NYC had few gun laws when murders were at their...If NYC had few gun laws when murders were at their high, and has "stringent" gun laws when murders are at their low...<br /><br />But NYC ALSO had "stringent" gun laws when murders were at their high, so...?FishyJaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-45333057727475688602009-12-30T15:51:36.345+01:002009-12-30T15:51:36.345+01:00"The gun bloggers on the other hand seem to t..."The gun bloggers on the other hand seem to think it has only to do with improved policing techniques and general trends."<br /><br />That's exactly what is happening. He is enforcing laws that are already on the books. And miracle of miracles, crime goes down. Who would have thunk it? Now if criminals would actually serve out their entire sentences, we might really be on to something.RuffRidrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597758856457029471noreply@blogger.com