tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post7991054624397175954..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: In Washington State, Idiot Lawful Gun Owner Shoots his 12-Year-old Grandson - No Charges It was Just an AccidentAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5961166090758130202013-12-30T19:54:00.650+01:002013-12-30T19:54:00.650+01:00And when Mike uses CDC numbers you claim he's ...And when Mike uses CDC numbers you claim he's full of shit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-47288694056503641232013-12-30T13:38:44.737+01:002013-12-30T13:38:44.737+01:00So little information? What more would you like b...So little information? What more would you like before being able to comment on this guy's incident? You're playing hard to get, man.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-76091249843983276932013-12-30T01:19:49.030+01:002013-12-30T01:19:49.030+01:00You don't accept any studies, that disagree wi...You don't accept any studies, that disagree with your "side."<br />Maybe if you stopped taking sides (spewing talking point garbage) and thought for yourself, you might see things clearer. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-81305320154726863372013-12-29T19:17:08.936+01:002013-12-29T19:17:08.936+01:00Mikeb, I'm using the CDC numbers. Your beef i...Mikeb, I'm using the CDC numbers. Your beef is with them, not me.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-85498262058345910652013-12-29T19:14:00.603+01:002013-12-29T19:14:00.603+01:00Your side loves Kellermann. I don't know anyo...Your side loves Kellermann. I don't know anyone on my side who accepts his studies.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-60062950726890726662013-12-29T16:14:27.631+01:002013-12-29T16:14:27.631+01:00From this guy? Keep hoping. From this guy? Keep hoping. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-90516251135838115982013-12-29T15:26:49.309+01:002013-12-29T15:26:49.309+01:00Mike, I don't recall anyone ever referring to ... Mike, I don't recall anyone ever referring to me as artful. I don't know what is reasonable or doable in the area of charging cases like these. And as I said before, going by this news article which has so little real information requires people to speculate a lot.<br /> Generalization is all you can really do in this case. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-59491765853868246222013-12-29T11:03:51.234+01:002013-12-29T11:03:51.234+01:00Oh, yeah, the "juke the stats" thing.
G...Oh, yeah, the "juke the stats" thing.<br /><br />Greg, for crying out loud, stop using the debunked 600 number. And while you're at it, stop talking about ONLY accidental deaths. You negligent idiots are responsible for a lot more damage than just the deaths you cause.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-79202800207031690362013-12-29T11:00:35.285+01:002013-12-29T11:00:35.285+01:00I was hoping for something a bit more specific not...I was hoping for something a bit more specific not an artful dodge using generalizations.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-54815230101310435182013-12-29T10:59:15.133+01:002013-12-29T10:59:15.133+01:00Yeah, I got lucky - in this case.Yeah, I got lucky - in this case.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-46146375932771266762013-12-29T10:58:29.613+01:002013-12-29T10:58:29.613+01:00Greg, even those on your side of the debate admit ...Greg, even those on your side of the debate admit this is true. They chop Kellerman's higher number down, but they still admit it's more likely. But, as we all know, you don't hold yourself to such a high standard of honesty.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22635428469270222482013-12-29T00:07:09.372+01:002013-12-29T00:07:09.372+01:00"If a person commits suicide, which is the ca..."If a person commits suicide, which is the case in two thirds of those gun deaths,"<br /><br /> Good catch Greg, ding on me for getting it wrong.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69182025368812634652013-12-29T00:05:59.479+01:002013-12-29T00:05:59.479+01:00"Are you saying the 33,000 gun shot deaths in..."Are you saying the 33,000 gun shot deaths in America, two thirds of those are suicides? "<br /><br /> According to the CDC, in 2010, there were 19,392 firearm suicides and 11,078 firearm homicides, giving a total of 30,470.<br /> The percentage of suicides comes to a bit under 64%, so yes, two thirds is pretty close.<br />http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exessgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-49311754241380429912013-12-29T00:02:55.455+01:002013-12-29T00:02:55.455+01:00Yes, it's a fact that two thirds of gun deaths...Yes, it's a fact that two thirds of gun deaths in this country are suicides.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-15390686026023676482013-12-28T18:03:27.395+01:002013-12-28T18:03:27.395+01:00Anon, considering the absence of information in th...Anon, considering the absence of information in the article, there many here who are guessing and iffing, including Mike. Or in this case, Mike's use of probably. In this case, Mike was correct. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16379597836167223062013-12-28T17:57:53.909+01:002013-12-28T17:57:53.909+01:00"If a person commits suicide, which is the ca..."If a person commits suicide, which is the case in two thirds of those gun deaths"<br /><br />Are you saying the 33,000 gun shot deaths in America, two thirds of those are suicides? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-84834775183057094352013-12-28T17:06:33.553+01:002013-12-28T17:06:33.553+01:00There are both civil and criminal remedies for the...There are both civil and criminal remedies for these events. The parents could sue. There are also likely such criminal offences ranging from discharge of a firearm (even the small town I live in has this), all the way up to assault. I've also seen articles you've posted in which people have been charged with child endangerment.ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-56568985322186461782013-12-28T16:54:39.676+01:002013-12-28T16:54:39.676+01:00Guesses and ifs, that's all you got.Guesses and ifs, that's all you got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-38764238718641616652013-12-28T16:27:27.910+01:002013-12-28T16:27:27.910+01:00If a person commits suicide, which is the case in ...If a person commits suicide, which is the case in two thirds of those gun deaths, that's the responsibility of the person alone. Of the remainder, if we ended the War on Drugs, a great many of those wouldn't happen.<br /><br />But you apparently missed the memo about the number of accident firearms deaths: about 600 per annum. That number is also on the decline.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62352277327180843722013-12-28T16:24:54.707+01:002013-12-28T16:24:54.707+01:00Mikeb, given the facts here, he likely was a carry...Mikeb, given the facts here, he likely was a carry license holder. That's not what I was referring to. I was pointing out the falsehood of your assertion about probabilities.Greg Camphttp://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-83918586286776358252013-12-28T15:51:39.820+01:002013-12-28T15:51:39.820+01:00Grung is talking about cooking the crime numbers- ...Grung is talking about cooking the crime numbers- but he/she forgot the caveat that "you can't hide a body" (often quoted in The Wire). Murder rates tend to be the most accurate and have also fallen precipitously over the last 20 years.TShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036856347626234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2876534206370745152013-12-28T12:43:56.339+01:002013-12-28T12:43:56.339+01:00Could you explain what you mean about The Wire?Could you explain what you mean about The Wire?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-24737245106186490502013-12-28T12:42:22.587+01:002013-12-28T12:42:22.587+01:00And what should that be, ss?And what should that be, ss?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6210131214424642092013-12-28T12:40:09.961+01:002013-12-28T12:40:09.961+01:00OK, let's say he was not a concealed carry per...OK, let's say he was not a concealed carry permit holder. He's still one of your shining examples of extreme stupidity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29928966708613840112013-12-27T23:21:22.177+01:002013-12-27T23:21:22.177+01:00DG, since he was in possession of the gun when thi...DG, since he was in possession of the gun when this happened, he should be held responsible for wounding his grandson. ssgmarkcrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14480230040370709682noreply@blogger.com