tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post9180453967403382402..comments2024-02-05T03:41:13.688+01:00Comments on Mikeb302000: The Concealed Carry CharadeAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-29913069552642491712010-09-05T16:52:46.893+02:002010-09-05T16:52:46.893+02:00I think you're right Anonymous.I think you're right Anonymous.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-5629299286233925342010-09-03T18:24:54.738+02:002010-09-03T18:24:54.738+02:00MikeB: “When a cop stops him for a traffic violati...MikeB: “When a cop stops him for a traffic violation, he produces his driver's license, informs the cop he's legally carrying, even though it's a lie and produces his CCW permit.”<br /><br />Then the officer goes back to his car, punches in his DL into the system to see if he has any outstanding warrants (which the officer IS going to do- even if the intention is only to issue a warning)- and low and behold it turns out he is a convicted felon. The officer arrests him on a weapons charge, throws him in jail, and he is not able to go home and beat his wife.<br /><br />If the story you and jade tell is true- show us an example (because it would certainly need to be fixed). But your excuse of “the system has recall loophole” is not a good reason to not issue them in the first place.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22129098884197423802010-09-03T17:26:28.347+02:002010-09-03T17:26:28.347+02:00"And ball-less is either a word or it's n..."And ball-less is either a word or it's not. It can't be two words."<br /><br />That was a joke. Do you see how humor can be completely missed in the written media? There's no inflection, no body language to receive additional clues as to whether the person was being facetious, teasing, being ironic, sarcastic, etc.<br /><br />We need to invent an HTML humor-equivalent to bold or italics, to let people know that a particular comment is a joke, or meant to be taken lightly, even if the rest of the text isn't.<br /><br />< just kidding ><br />< jk ><br /><br />< sarcasm ><br />< sc >Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41935042850724644022010-09-03T08:47:25.083+02:002010-09-03T08:47:25.083+02:00About determining if the anonymous commenters are ...About determining if the anonymous commenters are using the same IP addresses as former known commenters, I've never attempted to do it. I don't really care that much who you are. It is a pain in the ass though trying to distinguish one annonymous guy from another, names would help with that.<br /><br />And ball-less is either a word or it's not. It can't be two words. <br /><br />FWM asked, <i>"What good does the license do him since he is a prohibited person and cannot own a gun?"</i><br /><br />How about this? A guy gets the CCW permit and later turns bad, felony convictions, domestic violence, the works. He continues to carry although he's much too dangerous to do so in a peaceful society. When a cop stops him for a traffic violation, he produces his driver's license, informs the cop he's legally carrying, even though it's a lie and produces his CCW permit.<br /><br />After receiving a warning or a speeding ticket, he goes on his merry way either home to abuse his wife some more or maybe to get drunk and loaded with the boys. He's a time bomb just waiting to go off, who could have been defused if the system had proper checks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72997374247737851352010-09-02T23:29:16.288+02:002010-09-02T23:29:16.288+02:00So frustrating…
Jade: “1. There are no states tha...So frustrating…<br /><br />Jade: “1. There are no states that do not issue CCW permits.”<br /><br />That is not what I said (the great thing about this blog is you can go back and read what I said). I said there are states that do no allow permits to “the safest of the safe”. Those are people who have never been convicted, arrested, or even suspected of any criminal activity. And it is not a matter of being more difficult than other states- we are talking about people not being able to get them AT ALL, no matter how hard you try (OK, maybe you have to get elected mayor, or star in a blockbuster movie- but that is pretty damn hard to do). Are you denying this? Secondly, Illinois and Wisconsin are no-issue states- so even with you claiming something I didn’t say, you are still wrong.<br /><br />“2. You engage in the ol' slippery slope argument again…”<br /><br />I don’t know how you went there from me suggesting that permit qualifications should be tightened but also apply to everyone no matter where they live… but I do believe in the slippery slope of gun control, so… whatever.<br /><br />“3. "Squeaky clean" may mean something different to each of us. Additionally, it's only a factor. Other factors would include things like competency.”<br /><br />And they still can’t get a permit if they live in a gun control town in a gun control state.<br /><br />“Re Weerd's death threat--I never smear anyone.”<br /><br />Did you just say that?<br /><br />“Gunloons tend to talk bigger than their actions. Bada##es don't talk, they do.”<br /><br />True. These people whom you label “gunloons” (and I take it you include me) tend to be honest law-abiding people who stand up for their rights with “talk” and do not take criminal “badass” actions. Why then do you stand in their way of our right to own firearms?TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-41339086947987031952010-09-02T22:55:25.711+02:002010-09-02T22:55:25.711+02:00TS: Your false assumptions:
1. There are no states...TS: Your false assumptions:<br />1. There are no states that do not issue CCW permits. Yes, some states may be more difficult than others but you apparently believe that unless they're handing them out on the street, it's extraordinarily difficult to get one.<br />2. You engage in the ol' slippery slope argument again by erroneously claiming that some states forbid CCW and, thus, this means any regulation certainly will lead to a complete ban and seizing of all guns.<br />3. "Squeaky clean" may mean something different to each of us. Additionally, it's only a factor. Other factors would include things like competency.<br /><br />Re Weerd's death threat--I never smear anyone. I know very little about Weerd--so pretending I know what's in his mind is something I can't claim. OTOH, I do have some experience with gunloons and with folks are genuinely bada##es. Gunloons tend to talk bigger than their actions. Bada##es don't talk, they do.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2440065220244587732010-09-02T22:18:27.096+02:002010-09-02T22:18:27.096+02:00Jade: “As I've sagely noted, previously, Weerd...Jade: “As I've sagely noted, previously, Weerd made a death threat against me. I am not obligated to call the police nor do I feel a need to do so.”<br /><br />These are very serious allegations which you should not toss around lightly. I suspect you are just trying to smear Weer’d, so I’ll ask you; do you really feel Weer’d made a legitimate threat against your life? You may not feel obligated to call the police, but MikeB certainly has an obligation to make sure death threats aren’t happening on his blog.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-17627765730913429432010-09-02T22:01:16.079+02:002010-09-02T22:01:16.079+02:00Jade: “You make a number of assumptions that are s...Jade: “You make a number of assumptions that are simply false.”<br /><br />Like what? I said there are some place that don’t grant permits to even the “safest of the safe”, which you agreed by called it a “feature”. Please point to my exact line which you see as a “false assumption”. I was talking about a middle ground which you don’t seem to be interested in.<br /><br />Jade: “As a result, we have felons carrying guns around in public.”<br /><br />Which is a felony in itself regardless of whether they still have a state issued piece of paper. Just show us one example of a felon who was able to walk away from a weapons charge because he still had a CCW. Just one.TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-6543446392685832742010-09-02T21:26:08.635+02:002010-09-02T21:26:08.635+02:00So, in other words, you didn't believe it was ...So, in other words, you didn't believe it was a death threat either.<br /><br />Sagely noted.<br /><br />Still nothing on the permit holders with long records?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-2661487733736149812010-09-02T21:01:01.629+02:002010-09-02T21:01:01.629+02:00Mikey W: As I've sagely noted, previously, We...Mikey W: As I've sagely noted, previously, Weerd made a death threat against me. I am not obligated to call the police nor do I feel a need to do so.<br /><br />I've long understood gunloons talk a pretty big game but when it comes to action--well, let's just say they usually find other things to do when called upon to show their hands.<br /><br />If, in the unlikely event Weerd experiences a once-in-a-lifetime surge of testerone--I'm still not concerned.<br /><br />Sagely noted. Also.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-75202311073597382132010-09-02T20:31:04.828+02:002010-09-02T20:31:04.828+02:00"Similarly, as I've sagely noted..."..."Similarly, as I've <b>sagely</b> noted..."<br /><br />You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.<br /><br />"...it's very possible that CCW holders who may commit felonies after getting their permit aren't often identified."<br /><br />And yet, you have failed to produce even ONE example of that, despite your insistence that it happens often.<br /><br />"... we have felons carrying guns around in public."<br /><br />Guess what? There are always felons carrying guns in public. Criminals tend to ignore the law, Jade. That's why they do things like carry guns (without permits), steal things and kill people.<br /><br />Passing laws and pretending they don't isn't a realitic option for dealing with it, though.<br /><br />Have you called the police about Weer'd Beard's supposed "death threat" yet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-86872803263499869792010-09-02T20:07:36.137+02:002010-09-02T20:07:36.137+02:00TS: You make a number of assumptions that are simp...TS: You make a number of assumptions that are simply false.<br /><br />Again--as it stands now--people can get CCW permits when they may have a long criminal record. They can also have convictions for DUIs.<br /><br />These are not the "safest of the safe." All they are are folks who have successfully managed to beat felony raps and/or possibly involuntary commitment to a mental hospital.<br /><br />Similarly, as I've sagely noted, it's very possible that CCW holders who may commit felonies after getting their permit aren't often identified. As a result, we have felons carrying guns around in public.<br /><br />Basically, the only point you can legitimately make is that we need free access to CCW to protect us from the CCW holders.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16700099892797710542010-09-02T17:48:25.329+02:002010-09-02T17:48:25.329+02:00Jadegold: “A feature not a bug.”
That is because ...Jadegold: “A feature not a bug.”<br /><br />That is because you don’t want a permit, and that is fine- don’t get one. You spend this whole post lamenting how some states don’t have high enough standards, but then also have no problem with states that don’t issue permits even to the “safest of the safe”. It seems if you are just against permits entirely. So why should we believe gun controllers when they say they are only interested in raising the qualification bar? I’d like to see shall-issue to squeaky clean records with full state reciprocity. Is that not a good middle ground?TSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-40544720761972353132010-09-02T16:49:29.921+02:002010-09-02T16:49:29.921+02:00OTOH, when Weerd issues death threats it's ok?...<i>OTOH, when Weerd issues death threats it's ok?<br /></i><br /><br />I fully support you taking legal action if you feel that it is a threat. The fact that you haven't done so shows me that you don't even think it was a threat.RuffRidrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597758856457029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72366638666545938622010-09-02T16:16:53.730+02:002010-09-02T16:16:53.730+02:00"OTOH, when Weerd issues death threats it'..."OTOH, when Weerd issues death threats it's ok?"<br /><br />And you've called the police over this illegal activity, correct?<br /><br />Oh, wait, you're full of shit again. Diapers!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30270936278341284712010-09-02T16:14:53.927+02:002010-09-02T16:14:53.927+02:00"Is that a word?"
Technically, it's..."Is that a word?"<br /><br />Technically, it's two words.<br /><br />I think it's funny that you and Jadegold assume every anonymous poster is somebody who previously posted on here under another name, but now is choosing to be anonymous. I really think it's funny that Jade assumes I am Mike W (I guess because I call him "Jade" sometimes, as Mike W sometimes used to when he posted). You could be right, and there might be several people who used to come here under other names and now post as anonymous. I'm not one of them, though.<br /><br />I've been coming here for a bit, and I post as anonymous because I like anonymous. My words are out there, and you can feel free to like them, hate, disagree, agree. Whatever.<br /><br />But the words are there, and they stand for themselves. People won't disagree with them solely because of their hatred for a particular person.<br /><br />From our side of the aisle, anything Jade writes is pretty much guaranteed to be met with skepticism, derision and laughter. Unfortunately, that is what will happen, even if he makes a valid point here or there. A rarity, I admit, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-62814618210827459882010-09-02T16:02:01.897+02:002010-09-02T16:02:01.897+02:00Poor Ruffy.
Let's see if I understand him. If...Poor Ruffy.<br /><br />Let's see if I understand him. If someone posts a picture of someone they claim is them on their blog and I use it--it's harrassing people?<br /><br />M'kay. I'll cop to that.<br /><br />The rest of your claims are nonsense.<br /><br />OTOH, when Weerd issues death threats it's ok?<br /><br />Well, at least your consistent.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-30795882767595192452010-09-02T14:47:32.692+02:002010-09-02T14:47:32.692+02:00I noticed he'd stopped coming around and that ...<i>I noticed he'd stopped coming around and that he was kind of replaced by an anonymous commenter or two. I don't know what it is about that behaviour, coming around as anonymous when we all know you as someone else, but the word "ball-less" comes to mind. Is that a word?</i><br /><br />Can you not tell who the anonymous users are? I mean you do have the logs you can look at right? This is how several of JadeGold's sock puppet accounts have been rooted out. You know what is ball-less? Harrassing people, posting info on their spouses, posting their pictures online, and alerting their employers to posts they've made. This is something JadeGold does after he finds out a user's real name. Again, maybe that is why people feel they need to pose as anonymous on here.RuffRidrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13597758856457029471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-57844099341099304002010-09-02T13:13:30.593+02:002010-09-02T13:13:30.593+02:00"The article indicates that in Georgia, which...<i>"The article indicates that in Georgia, which I suppose means elsewhere too, sometimes a guy who passes the background check and gets the license and subsequently commits a felony might continue to keep his license."</i><br /><br />What good does the license do him since he is a prohibited person and cannot own a gun?FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-20366587938598932492010-09-02T11:01:26.147+02:002010-09-02T11:01:26.147+02:00Yes, Mike, because an old state CCW permit is a va...Yes, Mike, because an old state CCW permit is a valid exception to Federal felon in possession rules.<br /><br />::rolls eyes::<br /><br />Laci's owner: I fear the criminal who believes he won't be caught carrying illegally more than the guy who realizes he broke a law and voluntarily relinquishes the privilege granted.<br /><br />I challenge you to find an <i>impartial</i> jury to convict someone who did what your "terrorist" did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-69390554772552380402010-09-02T08:40:18.304+02:002010-09-02T08:40:18.304+02:00I'm laughing at the Mike W. references. I not...I'm laughing at the Mike W. references. I noticed he'd stopped coming around and that he was kind of replaced by an anonymous commenter or two. I don't know what it is about that behaviour, coming around as anonymous when we all know you as someone else, but the word <i>"ball-less"</i> comes to mind. Is that a word?<br /><br />I'll bet Mike W. is not the only one either.<br /><br />About the small numbers of revocations of CCW licenses having some meaning, I agree with Jadegold who described it perfectly. <i>"Revocation rates (only in FL) don't tell the complete story."</i> <br /><br />The article indicates that in Georgia, which I suppose means elsewhere too, sometimes a guy who passes the background check and gets the license and subsequently commits a felony might continue to keep his license. Now, this here could be called another loophole. And why a truly legitimate gun owner would not be screaming to high heaven about this abuse is a mystery to me. <br /><br />But mysteries abound. Gun owners love them loopholes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806175370305006933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-52638916045005553592010-09-02T05:49:17.609+02:002010-09-02T05:49:17.609+02:00Laci, so your point, that Jade thinks is so great,...Laci, so your point, that Jade thinks is so great, is that your client that was not convicted of anything applied for a permit and was awarded one because he was not convicted of anything.<br /><br />Does that just about sum it all up?<br /><br />Sounds like the fault rests with the piss-poor Pennsylvania legal system rather than a license bureau.FatWhiteManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946272184958991397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-72266331625363660822010-09-02T03:18:46.401+02:002010-09-02T03:18:46.401+02:00Wondering if you've read Dan Baum's piece ...Wondering if you've read Dan Baum's piece at Harper's, <a href="http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/08/0083063" rel="nofollow">"Happiness is a worn gun: My concealed weapon and me"</a>? It's very interesting, been meaning to write a post about it but haven't got around to it yet ...Litzz11@yahoo.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08843479112124843471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-22474344028611169932010-09-02T01:57:14.855+02:002010-09-02T01:57:14.855+02:00And you'll present it?
No.
Because as usual,...And you'll present it?<br /><br />No.<br /><br />Because as usual, you're full of shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6314891743204395487.post-16732195027970001022010-09-01T23:05:51.447+02:002010-09-01T23:05:51.447+02:00And you have evidence of this, too?
Yup.<i>And you have evidence of this, too?</i><br /><br />Yup.Jadegoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219212637582238275noreply@blogger.com