Wednesday, February 15, 2012

How to lie with misquotations!

From The Future of Gun Control by Alex Altman published in Time 26 June 2008
The U.S. Supreme Court's 5-4 decision overturning Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban is the biggest gun rights ruling since the Second Amendment was ratified in 1791. The Court had not waded into this divisive issue since 1939, when it declared, "We cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear" arms. But on Thursday the Court broke its silence to do just that, ruling for the first time that the Constitution confers an individual right to gun ownership beyond providing for "a well regulated Militia," as the amendment states. The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Justice Antonin Scalia, the court's arch-conservative, wrote in the majority opinion.
The actual quote from US v. Miller is:
In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense. Aymette v. State of Tennessee, 2 Humph., Tenn., 154, 158.
I have already pointed out, the Miller decision incorporated by reference, the decision of
Aymette v. State, 21 Tenn. (2 Hump.) 154 (1840). Aymette makes the following point.
To make this view of the case still more clear, we may remark, that the phrase, "bear arms," is used in the Kentucky constitution as well as in our own, and implies, as has already been suggested, their military use. The 28th section of our bill of rights provides, "that no citizen of this State shall be compelled to bear arms, provided he will pay in equivalent, to be ascertained by law." Here we know that the phrase has a military sense, and no other; and we must infer that it is used in the same sense in the 26th section, which secures to the citizen the right to bear arms. A man in the pursuit of deer, elk and buffaloes, might carry his rifle every day, for forty years, and, yet, it would never be said of him, that he had borne arms, much less could it be said, that a private citizen bears arms, because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane. So that, with deference, we think the argument of the court in the case referred to, even upon the question it has debated, is defective and inconclusive
.I think that quote from Aymette puts paid to any attempt to try to say that Miller related to private uses of firearms.

Or as Justice Douglas, who was on the Court at the Time of Miller, said in ADAMS v. WILLIAMS, 407 U.S. 143 (1972)?
The leading case is United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 , upholding a federal law making criminal the shipment in interstate commerce of a sawed-off shotgun. The law was upheld, there being no evidence that a sawed-off shotgun had "some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia." Id., at 178. The Second Amendment, it was held, "must be interpreted and applied" with the view of maintaining a "militia."

"The Militia which the States were expected to maintain and train is set in contrast with Troops which they were forbidden to keep without the consent of Congress. The sentiment of the time strongly disfavored standing armies; the common view was that adequate defense of country and laws could be [407 U.S. 143, 151] secured through the Militia - civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion." Id., at 178-179.

Critics say that proposals like this water down the Second Amendment. Our decisions belie that argument, for the Second Amendment, as noted, was designed to keep alive the militia. But if watering-down is the mood of the day, I would prefer to water down the Second rather than the Fourth Amendment.
Before you come up with any silly comment about Douglas not understanding Miller, keep in mind that while he was a member of the court even if he did not take part in the oral argument.

I would assume that he would have been privy to the discussions surrounding the Miller decision--Don't you??????

Anyway, taking a half-quotation, out of context, definitely changes the meaning from what was originally intended.

Captain Beefheart Festival 2011-2012 - 6th Night of the Living Van Vliet

Here's the explanation of the origin and the dates.

Thanks to Microdot for the title of the Festival.

Zen Comix has joined the festivities.

I like this line: "Such is is and uh ain't is ain't"



The path is the mask of love a way a way
The flow is the task above today there is no other way (repeat)
You gotta trust us when you need a friend
To find us you gotta look within
You gotta trust us (repeat) before you turn to dust (repeat)
You gotta see before you see you gotta be before be

(we love you)
You gotta touch without take
You gotta hear without fear
You gotta feel to reveal
You gotta touch without take
Such is is and uh ain't is ain't (repeat)

We're for you love you with you love you just a few

We love you we tell you true we love you
The path is youth let the dying die
The path is life yeah; let the lying lie
Let the dying die let the lying lie
(trust trust trust)

More Florida Gun Crime

I remind readers, every gun started out legal.  Every crime is because someone either used a legally obtained firearm for illegal purposes, which is common, or because they did not sufficiently exercise care in securing their firearm or in transferring their firearms to another legal owner for legal purposes.

We have so many illegal firearms, because we have so many legal ones.  In countries where there are fewer firearms, FREE countries, developed countries, there are far fewer crimes committed with firearms.  Their crime rate is lower, or involves far less serious force when it does occur than our gun violence.

These crimes, the notion that a firearm gives one person power over another, is the essence of our gun culture; it is entirely about controlling people, coercing people, threatening people, and if the world doesn't go your way, killing or injuring people.

From Ch 6 Miami News:

Two Men Sexually Assaulted Woman in Lauderdale Lakes: BSO

The sexual battery occurred in Lauderdale Lakes

By Lisa Orkin Emmanuel
|  Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012  |  Updated 1:48 PM EST
Deputies Search for 2 Men Accused of Rape
Broward Sheriff's Office
The Broward Sheriff's Office is investigating the rape.
Broward Sheriff's Office deputies were investigating Wednesday after a woman was sexually assaulted in Lauderdale Lakes by two men last week.
The 48-year-old woman was on State Road 7 at One United Bank at 2412 N.on Feb. 9. She was at the location at 5:30 a.m. to meet a coworker who was going to drive her to work, the sheriff's office said in a statement.
Two men approached her, one on a bicycle and another by foot. One man pointed a gun at her and forced her behind bushes near a drive-through teller, authorities said.
The second man hit and choked her. They sexually battered her and stole her phone and pocketbook before fleeing, the sheriff's office said.
Both men were dressed in black. Anyone with information was asked to contact authorities

Avoidable Firearm Injury - No Surprise, It's Gun-Lunatic Haven, Florida, AGAIN

An observation, as someone who has retrained dangerous dogs that are either people aggressive or dog aggressive (or both), MOST of the people who keep pit bulls (or other 'bully breeds' as they are commonly known) have as little understanding of how to safely keep a dog for self defense as they do firearms in this instance.  Like their owners and the owner's firearms, the dogs become a danger to themselves and the humans around them, instead of protecting anyone.  It is part and parcel of the same delusion, the same sick fantasy as the one embraced by the gun lunatics, who are so prevalent and who run amok in Florida injuring and killing people - like the woman shot in the head in Church.

We hear continuous claims about guns used for SELF DEFENSE!  "We GOTSA have our GUNS!  We just GOTSA!", claim the gun lunatics, over and over and over.

When things go badly - or go south, to use the colloquial expression for abysmal failure - the gun lunatics never accept the responsibility, never take the blame, never acknowledge that they were not safe or secure with their fetish object firearms.  They only focus on their fantasy that guns will save them and their loved ones, ignoring the dreadful reality that guns more often harm, or kill, those they claim to desire to protect.

They never admit they are not as competent as they want us to believe they are.  They never admit that they have accidents, that they don't hit what they are aiming at, that they are not the superheroes they see themselves as in their imagination, in their fevered wanna-be hero fantasies.  The reality is so much different, so much more destructive of innocent people, than that fantasy.


Guns don't make us safer, gun lunatics are as much a danger as any danger they use as a pretext for their fetish object.  But it is perfectly ok with them if others die or are injured or in fear, so long as they have that damned fetish object on their hip. 

It is too damned bad that this jerk won't lose his firearms AND dogs after this incident, but that's too much to expect in the currently uncivilized violent gun culture rampant across Florida. They try to put lipstick on the pig of that gun culture, but it is nothing more than a violent, uncivilized decline from developed civilization in the 21st century.  Too bad for Florida, too bad for the status and civilizations of places like it.

They're not free; they're just backward.  The greatest danger to Billy and his family and his neighbors is......Billy.

From  Florida, by way of NBC Miami and MSNBC.com  :

Cops: Fla. man shoots at pit bulls, hits 84-year-old mother

84-year-old Florida woman tried to intervene when dogs started fighting

By
NBCMIAMI.com
updated 2/15/2012 5:47:27 AM ET 2012-02-15T10:47:27
A man accidentally shot his elderly mother while trying to break up fighting pit bulls inside their home in Plantation, Florida, Tuesday night, police said.
The son told NBC Miami that he and his mother have seven pit bulls in their house; they own three and take care of four for friends.
The dogs became aggressive and started fighting each other Tuesday night, Plantation Police spokesman Detective Robert Rettig said.
The 84-year-old mother tried to separate them, and her 50-year-old son used a pistol to shoot at the dogs, but ended up hitting his mother, Rettig said.
The son, Billy, who only wanted to give his first name, said his bullet hit his mother in the leg.
"I saw the dogs were fighting. She was on the ground," Billy said.
"And I tried to break them up, and the one dog came at me," and with time of the essence, he shot, he said.
Read more news at NBC Miami
She was taken to a hospital with injuries that are not believed to be life-threatening, Rettig said, while cautioning that her injuries could be more serious because she is older.
Billy and his mom live in a gated home that looks more like a compound, with many signs that warn of the dogs.
Billy said he doesn’t feel safe in the area, so that is why he keeps the pit bulls for protection.
No charges are pending, police said.

If I am only an amateur...

What is legal Eagle45...

I made the following comment:
  1. I have made a post about the English Bill of Rights.

    Maybe you should familiarise yourself better before you pretend to argue it.

    I would also suggest that you not confuse the doctrine of self-defence with national defence. At common law, deadly force was discouraged.

    In fact, its use could render one the aggressor and lead to legal prosecution.

    The problem is, LegalEagle, you are using a shotgun argument.

    You arguments are like tossing spaghetti on the wall hoping that something might stick, but nothing does since you are obviously unclear on this topic.

    If you know anything about US Jurisprudence, then you know full well that Marbury says "It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect"

    You are saying that the most important clause is "is mere surplusage, is entirely without meaning, if such is to be the construction."

    You are violating the rules of US Constitutional interpretation as set forth by Marbury in your proposed construction,

  2. I should add that Marbury's rule of statutory construction reinforces my position that the proeme is indeed important.

    If it provides the purpose for which the Second Amendment was adopted, then it it highly important to its interpretation.

    You would render the "proeme" mere surplusage" by making the presumption that it has no effect.

    That violates Marbury.

    And if Marbury is no longer valid, then Heller is no longer valid since Marbury is where the concept of Judicial review comes from.

    Judicial review which invalidates popularly passed laws by local citizenry, especially those taxed without representation, were grievances in the Declaration of Independence.

    So much for the Second Amendment being the tool of Liberty--you have led it to be the exact tyranny complained of by the colonials.
Marbury, of course, refers to the case of Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803), but more about that after I post LegalEagle45's response to the above.

Marburys Rules of Construction:

"1) "The rights enumerated in this Bill of Rights shall not be construed to limit other rights of the people not therein expressed. For (not to mention the liberal and beneficial manner of Construction which we have a right to) the plain, natural, and obvious meaning of the charter is, to grant and confirm certain Rights, Privileges, and Immunities to all his Majesty's subjects who then did or ever should inhabit that tract of country in America usually called Virginia, according to the Descriptions and Boundaries of the original Charters, not before otherwise appropriated or disposed of by His Majesty's Ancestors." - George Mason, July 1773, Extracts From The Virginia Charters, With Some Remarks On Them Made In The Year 1773"

Thus the rights are construed liberally...

Laci wrote: "It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect"

Yep, and you seem to believe the 2nd is without effect, because you can not tell us what the 2nd protects. You say it is obsolete and "irrelevant since 1792", which directly contradicts this presumption.

You are not too good at this Lacy...
Problem, Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803) is a very important case in Supreme Court jurisprudence. One doesn't need to go very far to find that out. The first result in my google search was:
Marbury v. Madison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison
Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803) is a landmark case in United States law and in the history of law worldwide. It formed the basis for the exercise ...
a little further down in the results one finds:

Marbury v. Madison – Case Brief Summary

www.lawnix.com/cases/marbury-madison.html
Facts, issue, holding, and rule of law in the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison – Case Brief Summary.
I made a post about this case earlier on in response to:
An anonymous idiot, said:

You mention Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803), quite a bit.

And for good reason. But anon missed this post: An Interesting Factoid. He also doesn't have an understanding of the fundamentals of Constitutional law.
The problem, LegalEagle45, is that this case is the first one studied in Law School Constitutional Law classes for precisely the reasons I gave in the aforementioned post:
Marbury is a landmark case in United States law and in the history of law worldwide. It formed the basis for the exercise of judicial review in the United States under Article III of the Constitution. It was also the first time in Western history a court invalidated a law by declaring it "unconstitutional", a process called judicial review. The landmark decision helped define the "checks and balances" of the American form of government.

Since it defined judicial review, it also provided guidelines for that review--the most important of which is the one I keep mentioning--that "It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect".

According to Marbury, One cannot presume that any language in the Constitution is mere surplusage--is entirely without meaning.

Sorta sad statement about the US educational system that you have to get your civics lessons from a Brit!
LegalEagle, while sounding as if he knows something about the law demonstrates that he does not have one of the extreme basics of US Constitutional law and Supreme Court Jurisprudence--knowledge of the case Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803).

That is the rough equivalent of not knowing what a stop sign looks like or which side of the road you drive on if you are able to drive a car.

Perhaps, this is why he was consistently making my argument for me through his ignorance.

Yes, LegalEagle, you just made a goal--

FOR THE OTHER TEAM

And you can't stop doing it.

While this is the most egregious of his mistakes, if one is at all familiar with the law, legal practise, and legal method, one would see that LegalEagle45 consistently got it wrong from citing cases and authorities which supported my case if they didn't just fail to refute it.

I should also add, as a landmark supreme court case, Marbury is actual legal precedent and LegalEagle45's George Mason quote is pure blather. Again, LegalEagle provides a quote which doesn't really make his point, but he keeps hoping that if he quotes lots and lots of people, it might snow the unwary into thinking he has some idea of what he is talking about.

As I said after reading his first response--thanks for making my case for me.

But in this instance, LegalEagle45, you really fucked it.

You fucked it royally.

Whenever I hear someone parrot "individual right, individual right, individual right", it reminds me of this:


Substitute "individual right" for "Brawndo".

One more nail in LegalEagle's coffin:

Marbury v. Madison (1803)


Marbury v. Madison, arguably the most important case in Supreme Court history, was the first U.S. Supreme Court case to apply the principle of "judicial review" -- the power of federal courts to void acts of Congress in conflict with the Constitution. Written in 1803 by Chief Justice John Marshall, the decision played a key role in making the Supreme Court a separate branch of government on par with Congress and the executive.

And another from Time:

Top 10 Landmark Supreme Court Cases

It has been 10 years since the concluding chapter of the 2000 election. On Dec. 12, 2000, the Supreme Court decided Bush v. Gore — just one decision in a long line of important cases. TIME takes a look at other landmark rulings

Open Carry Activist Mark Fiorino


Philly.com reports on the latest efforts of the phoney-baloney Mark Fiorino to keep himself in the news.

MARK FIORINO was legally carrying his .40-caliber Glock on his hip as he walked along Frankford Avenue on Feb. 13, 2011, when he was stopped by Philadelphia police, who pointed a gun at him, harassed him and handcuffed him.

Today, he plans to file a civil suit against the department for the incident.

Fiorino, who recorded his 45-minute confrontation with police and posted it on YouTube, is suing for "violation of his constitutional rights to be free from unlawful searches, excessive force and malicious prosecution," according to the complaint filed on his behalf by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Since I was detained and searched and cuffed and embarrassed in front of everybody, I decided to file a suit," Fiorino said yesterday. "I'd like to see that other citizens who are abiding by the law and want to defend themselves by carrying a firearm and exercising their rights don't get continually mistreated."
Just like the exaggerated claims that "more women are buying guns," the open carry movement attempts to normalize guns. They've said as much, that if people could only get used to seeing guns they wouldn't mind them so much.

The problem remains the same regardless of how acceptable gun carrying becomes. Some of the gun owners are not the law-abiding and responsible individuals they pretend to be. They are dangerous and to be around them makes you less safe not safer.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

More Women Gun Owners in Arizona



According to the NRA, the largest demographic increase in gun ownership during the past three years goes to women.

And, a recent survey by the National Shooting Sports Foundation found 61 percent of retailers saw an increase of female customers from 2009 to 2010.
Well, you can't dispute those two sources. If they say so, I guess it must be.

What do you think? Does it sound too much like a conspiracy theory to say they have an agenda in pushing this "more women gun owners" theme? Isn't it plausible they've decided this is another way to normalize guns, to make them more acceptable? Could it be this is their way of combatting the terrible but true stereotype of the older, fat, white male gunowner?

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.