The incredible story from Florida about the live-birth abortion is being used by Bob to illustrate my faulty ideas about guns. Basically, if you haven't read about the gruesome story, an 18-year-old paid $1,200 for an abortion. The doctor was late; she had a live birth at 23 weeks. The clinic staff stuffed the gasping premature baby in a plastic bag with the placenta and disposed of it like so much medical waste. The latest news is that the doctor, who eventually showed up, lost his medical license for falsifying records and trying to cover up the incident.
Here's Bob's comment on a post about guns.
Let's combine two meme's here.
You say that the misuse of firearms by some is a reason to reduce the availability, correct?
Would that apply to other activities/actions? If people misuse/abuse them, then actions should be taken to reduce the availability of activity?
How about abortion and this case from Buffalo News
Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO
Associated Press Writer
Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.
Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.
Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.
What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out.
Police recovered the decomposing remains in a cardboard box a week later after getting anonymous tips.
Had the abortion clinic not be so easily available, an infant would be still alive today possibly.
Now I am not arguing for the banning of abortion. Just trying to apply your logic to the problem.
Even those who support abortion rights are concerned about the allegations.
"It really disturbed me," said Joanne Sterner, president of the Broward County chapter of the National Organization for Women, after reviewing the administrative complaint against Renelique. "I know that there are clinics out there like this. And I hope that we can keep (women) from going to these types of clinics.
Isn't this the same with firearms...there are people out there who misuse firearms, responsible people would like to keep them from being used in illegal manners....but what can effectively be done to control free will?
At first I tried to beg off, calling this a ridiculous comparison. What prompted Bob's comment was, what I thought to be an extremely witty toungue-in-cheek post of mine comparing guns to cars. That's another comparison Bob likes to make.
My attempt to extricate myself from this mess of silly comparisons was met with this.
Please explain in simple terms and words why the comparison is invalid because obviously I, and many others, disagree.
Please explain why the comparison between the misuse - criminal deeds--in the abortion case and the misuse--criminal deeds-- of firearms isn't appropriate.
I think you are running from the issue.
I'll challenge you again. Take my argument apart point by point and show my how it is wrong.
Give you a break Mike? How about giving us a break from your repeated calls to disarm us?
From your repeated calls to impose restrictions and costs you aren't willing to bear on any other right...such as abortion.
Show me how I'm wrong instead of simply telling me it is what you "feel".
You are completely entitled to your opinion...but you are calling for changes in society, in my ability to enjoy a sport, in my ability to protect my family. Shouldn't that call for change require more song lyrics:
Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
(Now that was a light hearted attempt at humor )
Compared are the right of a woman to have an abortion and the right of any person to own a gun. Compared are the horror that happened in the clinic in Florida with the gun violence that takes place in America. I call those ridiculous and absurd comparisons; let's see if I can explain why.
Bob said, "You say that the misuse of firearms by some is a reason to reduce the availability, correct?" I answer, "correct."
Bob said, "Please explain in simple terms and words why the comparison is invalid because obviously I, and many others, disagree." I say, "here's how."
You cannot compare the right to bear arms to the right to have an abortion. They're both "rights," so to speak, but they're too different from one another. The 2nd Amendment was written in another time and place, and for totally different reasons than the ones that exist today. The authors were the same guys who owned slaves and denied women and others basic human rights. So, that argument means nothing to me; that's just my opinion. Furthermore the need to carry a gun to protect yourself and your family, I believe in most cases is totally exaggerated and the result of fear, insecurity and grandiosity; again that's just my opinion. Access to abortion, on the other hand, is a basic human right for women. Wherever it's denied, an injustice occurs because we all, women and men, must have sovereignty over our own bodies. Religion should stay out of politics; politics should stay out of women's bodies.
The downside of these rights being upheld is that every once in a while you have an awful story like the one in Florida, but every day in practically every major city you have gun violence. The misuse of guns is an epidemic; it's not an occasional odd incident. If you gun owners have to be inconvenienced in order to limit the availability of weapons to the criminals, I say that's a good thing. I've never said there should be a total ban, even though I'm continually accused of having said it. I'm only talking about major restrictions sufficient to curtail the flow of guns into the underworld.
So, I don't believe in these types of comparisons. I don't think they work, not guns and abortion, not guns and cars, not even guns and knives. Each situation is unique and needs to be examined on its own without resorting to facile comparisons that don't make sense.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.