Every person here who obstructs law regulation which would keep guns out of the hands of people like this, who would use firearms to kill other people shares in the moral guilt for this man's death, and for all the other deaths and injuries that we could avoid and prevent by greater gun restrictions.
For every one of you who believes that so long as YOU have a firearm, YOU could use it to stop a bad guy - this was a trained and experienced law enforcement officer, responding to a situation where there was a known, reported threat in a situation where shots were fired prior to his being wounded. All of you believe you would somehow miraculously kill the bad guy, and be heroes, not believing you would be wounded or killed, or that you would ever kill or injure the wrong person or persons. You live in a world of gun fantasies. This is the reality; you are not better, stronger, smarter, faster, as well trained, or more omniscient than this officer. You will not make any crisis situation with a firearm better, ever. But you could very easily make such a situation worse, with your lunatic gun fantasies.
From MSNBC.com, and the AP
Minnesota officer dies 11 days after being shot in head
Suspect was found dead in home after daylong standoff with Lake City police
AP
This Jan. 27, 2009 photo provided by the Lake City, Minn., police shows Officer Shawn Schneider, 32, who died Friday after being critically wounded Dec. 19 in a shooting while responding to a domestic situation.
ROCHESTER, Minn. — A Lake City, Minn., police officer died Friday night, 11 days after he was critically wounded by a gunshot while answering a domestic disturbance call, the Mayo Clinic said.The family of Officer Shawn Schneider, 32, thanked "everyone for their overwhelming support and well wishes during this difficult time," the hospital said.
Schneider was shot in the head on Dec. 19, NBC station KARE reported.
After a daylong standoff with the suspected shooter, Alan John Sylte Jr., officers found the 25-year-old dead inside the home. He had taken his own life, police said.
A 17-year-old girl who escaped from the house told police she had broken up with Sylte the previous week. Court documents say Sylte sent the girl 282 messages over the weekend before fighting with her at her family's house in Lake City the day of the shooting.
A Wisconsin National Guard spokeswoman said Sylte, from Hager City, Wis., was an Iraq war veteran who was in the process of being discharged from the guard for failing to report to duty.
Schneider had been transported to the Mayo Clinic's St. Marys Hospital in Rochester where he remained in critical condition until Friday night, KARE said.
Schneider, a nine-year veteran of the Lake City police department, leaves behind a wife and three young children.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Just another statistically insignificant occurrence. The tree of Gunzfreedomness must be watered with the blood of, well, somebody, from time to time.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if our on-and-off-his- meds-again commenter, Thomas, had a chance to send a quick note to the decedent or to his family to tell them what a drain on the economy those lazy union proles are.
dog gone wrote:
ReplyDelete"All of you believe you would somehow miraculously kill the bad guy, and be heroes, not believing you would be wounded or killed, or that you would ever kill or injure the wrong person or persons. You live in a world of gun fantasies. This is the reality; you are not better, stronger, smarter, faster, as well trained, or more omniscient than this officer. You will not make any crisis situation with a firearm better, ever. But you could very easily make such a situation worse, with your lunatic gun fantasies."
Before I say anything, I want to say this is a horrific story and I feel deeply for the officer's family.
Now will you stop with the hysteria and start providing facts. I keep asking for numbers and you never deliver. Give me numbers and an explanation. Tell me what the situation is now. Tell me what your goals are. And tell me what you think life will be like in the U.S. if you have your way and why.
Your blanket statements are materially false. You portray law enforcement officers as mystical gods and armed citizens as retarded chimpanzees. You claim that all armed citizens have the same mindset and fantasies and you claim to know what every armed citizen thinks. Where are your sources?
We could find the entire range of skills, training, experience, and proficiency among both law enforcement officers and citizens who choose to arm themselves. If you don't realize that, then you have no business posting statements about it. If you do know that, then you are trying to deceive people.
I have heard people say it about debate of any topic. When someone does not have facts on their side, they refer to anecdotal instances, insult people, and evade substance with as many divergent, scatterbrained thoughts as possible. And if all that fails, then invoke "academic studies" that are so complex and convoluted that you can argue them endlessly and avoid the real substance of the real debate.
Cap'n Crunch:
ReplyDeleteYou claimed the other day that if an assailant, holding your child as a hostage/shield gave you two inches of skin that you'd shoot him. First of all, I wouldn't want to see you in the position of making a decision that endangers your own child's life. Secondly, I don't think you've ever done what you're suggesting you would do.
Cops face dangerous situations on a daily basis. They are killed in the line of duty, and wounded far more often, despite their experience and training. Life is not a fucking movie.
This:
"You portray law enforcement officers as mystical gods and armed citizens as retarded chimpanzees. You claim that all armed citizens have the same mindset and fantasies and you claim to know what every armed citizen thinks."
is a FUCKING LIE.
Like Greg Camp, you're beginning to whine about what's not been said about ALL gun owners by any of the posters on this site. You complain about being lumped in while accusing others of things they simply haven't done.
Democommie,
ReplyDeleteThere you go, using my name again. You label us gunloonz, call us irresponsible, and curse up a storm--and that's when you're trying to be polite. If you really believe that responsible gun ownership is possible, why don't you post an article describing what a responsible gun owner can and cannot do. I've asked Dog Gone to do the same, but really, it seems that both of you are only interested in attacking others. You have no interest in defining what's a good way to own a gun. That being the case, even you can understand why we don't trust your insistence that you're not opposed to gun ownership.
democommie,
ReplyDeletedog gone started her paragraph with "All of you [armed citizens]..."
I don't know how else to read that. Can you explain how "all of you" means "some of you" or "a few of you" and how the average person should have known that? Otherwise, I am not lying about her statement.
As for your other comment, I agree whole heartedly that life is not a movie and I don't believe it to be such.
The only reason I responded to your original question of a criminal holding one of my children as a human shield is because our trainers asked that question. Their recommendation was to decide ahead of time what your capabilities are and what you would do. It is supposed to eliminate any mental argument with yourself during an actual event -- saving time and keeping you more focused on the situation at hand.
Nothing is a given. Like I said before, all we can do is practice, train, and hope for the best. Beyond that matters are out of our hands.