SERPA holster--finger slipped into trigger guard. Guy has a video where he explains posting this to show how easily accidents can happen. If memory serves, he also talks about the first aid they did--good reason to have some quick clot and a first aid kit at the range at all times--just in case.
No Mike, this is an example of an honest accident that I talked about earlier. It's also an example of the types of guns I don't like and why. No one else was harmed here. He likely learned some valuable lessons as well.
He pulled the trigger while the gun was still aiming at his leg. How's that an "honest accident?" That's negligence in violation of the basic safety rules.
This guy is taking on the responsibility of gun carry by practicing. Practice makes perfect, but it takes practice to become perfect. Altho perfection is perceived as a real person rather than a paper target can change his practice methods. That said, between the first attempts of perfection and achieving it accidents can happen. I would say after watching the video several times, he violated nothing.
Mike, which would you have it, a guy or girl that goes into public with little or no training assuming that they are ready for anything and have an incident that harms themselves or others, or someone who practices and has experience who had an accident while training in a controlled environment.
Police training produces more accidents like this than you report on, many more. But they do eventually get good enough to protect themselves and maybe others in the course of their duties. Individuals in the private sector are no different, maybe better than a lot of officers who in the end train less that the citizen they are charged to protect.
Mikeb, you complain that carry license holders are untrained, and here you're complaining that someone was practicing one of the skills necessary to be considered trained. Catch-22 much?
I'm defending here is his right to own and carry firearms. I also challenged your slurs about a "fast-draw fantasy." In a situation requiring a defensive use of a gun, being able to draw quickly is a good skill to have.
Mike, I am going to find out, from my own pocket. Remember when I told you that I research and verify, and have a staff that does research and I verify? Well I have a range reserved, two pros and two amateurs volunteering and we are going to make two days of research. I have the entire range just to the five of us for two days.
Obviously trained is better than untrained. Did you really need an answer to that? Haven't I answered that many times?
During training, the basic safety rules must be followed. They should carry the weight of law in my opinion. The fact that a violation of the safety rules happens during training is not an justification.
Mikeb, the point of contention here is that you repeatedly want loss of rights for anything that goes wrong with a gun. Let's say the guy is solely responsible for shooting himself. So what? We don't punish people for unintended events when they harm only themselves. We also are careful about punishing people for unintended events even when they do harm someone else. The law recognizes intent as a factor.
What I see here is that you're looking for any excuse to take away gun rights wherever possible. That's why I suspect you of wanting to disarm everyone. If you were less vindictive, you'd be more believable.
Mike, no one is fit to do any job, be properly responsible for anything you can imagine until properly trained. During training of anything the learning curve is evident. Accidents happen, mistakes happen, people learn from them. There isn't any magical knowledge that appears as soon as you touch something. There is only plug and play in computers.
Remember how you liked the idea that I would only discuss, not denigrate or insult? I have an open mind to do just such a thing. I have a lot of years under my belt to manage people and train them. That's the only way someone who worked for me did things my way. My way worked for me and was/is profitable and safe.
You on the other hand have a closed mind, do not consider any other possibilities. You will not give training a chance or consider training is possible without a chance of mishap. You have one thing on your mind and one thing only, disarm. Any excuse in your mind disqualifies any possibility of any individual from peacefully being armed to protect themselves from the criminal element that is armed with malice.
I have canceled the range time, and my trainers appointments. Because of your continuing remarks I do not see any need to waste any money on this venture. About $5000.00 was going to be spent to bring you how a learning curve works and how training works. Instead I will spend $500,000.00 to lobby against your bias in my state. Yeah, that's a half million, not a mistake in typing.
You continue to prejudge anyone, apply the weapons license to anyone without proof. Carry only one basket for firearm owners and insult them all by making everyone responsible for the misdeeds of the very few. No discussion seems to be possible with you. You must have a miserable life to live in such a small mind and feel the need to run away from this country just so you can think you can be safe in Italy. Instead of standing up in this country and face your fears and fight for what is right, you hide and denigrate from afar. Italy is not any safer, in fact is becoming worse for individual safety than here. What's next for you, run from Italy? Run where? Your precious government job there wont protect you any more than here. Governments are supposed to protect their country, not the individual. That's your own job.
No offense taken, but I think you're wrong about me. You're wrong about my closed mind and you're wrong about my having run to Italy to be safe.
In fact, among gun control advocates, I'm one of the most reasonable. I would like to see 50% of you guys continue to enjoy your guns. The fact that I have no tolerance for the shenanigans of the other 50%, doesn't translate into a closed mind and a desire to disarm at any cost.
After my last vacation to The States, I wrote a post about why I live here and why I prefer to raise my children here rather than there. I'll have to revive that one one of these days.
I do remember that post you made about that, but I feel you didn't come far enough, at least in my direction, Texas that is. But you did directly tell me the reasons you moved to Italy, safety was the main concern that I got from you response to my question.
Tolerance is something that your going to have to deal with. Without it there is no living with others, period.
The 50% part, I asked in another post where you brought that up was to name them and why. Specifically to the half that you would allow in your opinion.
And I wonder if the 50% that you refer to is the posters on here, or across the nation.
I would like to know this, as I would like to expand on your answers.
1. This has been around a while. Are you just getting to it?
2. Natural selection deals with favoring some genes over others. This man shot himself in the outside part of his leg. I take it that biology is one of the many subjects about which you know nothing.
Yes sir, he is a moron. Perhaps his trigger was too light (easy). At least he tried to keep is finger along the side of the pistol during the initial part of the draw. But I think there is an almost involuntary contraction of the fingers when you pull up that high. Now he knows better.
It would have also been a good opportunity to practice shooting anyway. If a real attacker had just stabbed or shot him, he wouldn't get to call, "Timeout, that hurts, I need a moment to collect myself for a counter-attack."
That is why you practice with AirSoft pistols first until you can draw and shoot at the proper time, every time.
I bet he shot himself with a Glock, or similar gun.
ReplyDeleteSERPA holster--finger slipped into trigger guard. Guy has a video where he explains posting this to show how easily accidents can happen. If memory serves, he also talks about the first aid they did--good reason to have some quick clot and a first aid kit at the range at all times--just in case.
DeleteTexas, should a guy lose his gun rights for doing something like that? I say yes, absolutely.
DeleteA guy should lose his gun rights for a tricky holster? What is wrong with you, Mikeb? Thank the gods you're not in charge.
DeleteNo Mike, this is an example of an honest accident that I talked about earlier. It's also an example of the types of guns I don't like and why. No one else was harmed here. He likely learned some valuable lessons as well.
DeleteStill, practice is always needed.
He pulled the trigger while the gun was still aiming at his leg. How's that an "honest accident?" That's negligence in violation of the basic safety rules.
Delete"A guy should lose his gun rights for a tricky holster? "
DeleteIt was the holster's fault, not the guy with the finger on the trigger because he was acting out some macho fast-draw fantasy.
What kind of integrity do you call that when you defend gun owners, right or wrong?
This guy is taking on the responsibility of gun carry by practicing. Practice makes perfect, but it takes practice to become perfect. Altho perfection is perceived as a real person rather than a paper target can change his practice methods. That said, between the first attempts of perfection and achieving it accidents can happen. I would say after watching the video several times, he violated nothing.
DeleteMike, which would you have it, a guy or girl that goes into public with little or no training assuming that they are ready for anything and have an incident that harms themselves or others, or someone who practices and has experience who had an accident while training in a controlled environment.
Police training produces more accidents like this than you report on, many more. But they do eventually get good enough to protect themselves and maybe others in the course of their duties. Individuals in the private sector are no different, maybe better than a lot of officers who in the end train less that the citizen they are charged to protect.
Mikeb, you complain that carry license holders are untrained, and here you're complaining that someone was practicing one of the skills necessary to be considered trained. Catch-22 much?
DeleteNow you're defending this guy by calling it training?
DeleteTexas, if "he violated nothing" how did he get shot?
I'm defending here is his right to own and carry firearms. I also challenged your slurs about a "fast-draw fantasy." In a situation requiring a defensive use of a gun, being able to draw quickly is a good skill to have.
DeleteMike, I am going to find out, from my own pocket. Remember when I told you that I research and verify, and have a staff that does research and I verify? Well I have a range reserved, two pros and two amateurs volunteering and we are going to make two days of research. I have the entire range just to the five of us for two days.
DeleteStay tuned.
Oh, and Mike. While I do this, please think of an answer to my question as to which way you would prefer, trained or not.
DeleteI am going thru an expensive venture for you an answer. You can give me the courtesy to answer mine.
Obviously trained is better than untrained. Did you really need an answer to that? Haven't I answered that many times?
DeleteDuring training, the basic safety rules must be followed. They should carry the weight of law in my opinion. The fact that a violation of the safety rules happens during training is not an justification.
Mikeb, the point of contention here is that you repeatedly want loss of rights for anything that goes wrong with a gun. Let's say the guy is solely responsible for shooting himself. So what? We don't punish people for unintended events when they harm only themselves. We also are careful about punishing people for unintended events even when they do harm someone else. The law recognizes intent as a factor.
DeleteWhat I see here is that you're looking for any excuse to take away gun rights wherever possible. That's why I suspect you of wanting to disarm everyone. If you were less vindictive, you'd be more believable.
And what you do is make any excuse possible to keep unfit people armed.
DeleteMike, no one is fit to do any job, be properly responsible for anything you can imagine until properly trained. During training of anything the learning curve is evident. Accidents happen, mistakes happen, people learn from them. There isn't any magical knowledge that appears as soon as you touch something. There is only plug and play in computers.
DeleteRemember how you liked the idea that I would only discuss, not denigrate or insult? I have an open mind to do just such a thing. I have a lot of years under my belt to manage people and train them. That's the only way someone who worked for me did things my way. My way worked for me and was/is profitable and safe.
You on the other hand have a closed mind, do not consider any other possibilities. You will not give training a chance or consider training is possible without a chance of mishap. You have one thing on your mind and one thing only, disarm. Any excuse in your mind disqualifies any possibility of any individual from peacefully being armed to protect themselves from the criminal element that is armed with malice.
I have canceled the range time, and my trainers appointments. Because of your continuing remarks I do not see any need to waste any money on this venture. About $5000.00 was going to be spent to bring you how a learning curve works and how training works. Instead I will spend $500,000.00 to lobby against your bias in my state. Yeah, that's a half million, not a mistake in typing.
You continue to prejudge anyone, apply the weapons license to anyone without proof. Carry only one basket for firearm owners and insult them all by making everyone responsible for the misdeeds of the very few. No discussion seems to be possible with you. You must have a miserable life to live in such a small mind and feel the need to run away from this country just so you can think you can be safe in Italy. Instead of standing up in this country and face your fears and fight for what is right, you hide and denigrate from afar. Italy is not any safer, in fact is becoming worse for individual safety than here. What's next for you, run from Italy? Run where? Your precious government job there wont protect you any more than here. Governments are supposed to protect their country, not the individual. That's your own job.
No offence meant, only an observation.
No offense taken, but I think you're wrong about me. You're wrong about my closed mind and you're wrong about my having run to Italy to be safe.
DeleteIn fact, among gun control advocates, I'm one of the most reasonable. I would like to see 50% of you guys continue to enjoy your guns. The fact that I have no tolerance for the shenanigans of the other 50%, doesn't translate into a closed mind and a desire to disarm at any cost.
After my last vacation to The States, I wrote a post about why I live here and why I prefer to raise my children here rather than there. I'll have to revive that one one of these days.
I do remember that post you made about that, but I feel you didn't come far enough, at least in my direction, Texas that is. But you did directly tell me the reasons you moved to Italy, safety was the main concern that I got from you response to my question.
DeleteTolerance is something that your going to have to deal with. Without it there is no living with others, period.
The 50% part, I asked in another post where you brought that up was to name them and why. Specifically to the half that you would allow in your opinion.
And I wonder if the 50% that you refer to is the posters on here, or across the nation.
I would like to know this, as I would like to expand on your answers.
I would say that the commenters here and the other gun blogs are for the most part in the good 50% category.
DeleteYou should turn up the audio. Gunloon gives all the details.
ReplyDelete1. This has been around a while. Are you just getting to it?
Delete2. Natural selection deals with favoring some genes over others. This man shot himself in the outside part of his leg. I take it that biology is one of the many subjects about which you know nothing.
Ok, Cabot, just where in this 56 second video is the detail of the gun used when he just ******* shot himself?
DeleteYes sir, he is a moron. Perhaps his trigger was too light (easy). At least he tried to keep is finger along the side of the pistol during the initial part of the draw. But I think there is an almost involuntary contraction of the fingers when you pull up that high. Now he knows better.
ReplyDeleteIt would have also been a good opportunity to practice shooting anyway. If a real attacker had just stabbed or shot him, he wouldn't get to call, "Timeout, that hurts, I need a moment to collect myself for a counter-attack."
That is why you practice with AirSoft pistols first until you can draw and shoot at the proper time, every time.
- TruthBeTold