Notice how many of those are in Mexico, a nation with strict gun control? How about the several cities in South Africa and Venezuela? Same story there about gun control. In U.S. territory, cities in Puerto Rico, Maryland, and California make the list. Also areas with onerous gun control.
Are you claiming that the murder rate in Chicago isn't all that bad? Even if it doesn't make the top fifty, there are still many murders taking place there.
That's rich. You claim all the time needless gun deaths don't matter because the number of deaths are so small. I guess 33,000 gun shot deaths a year, is small. What a hypocrite.
My point all along has been that your proposals aren't solutions to the problem of gun deaths. Yes, there are too many, especially in Chicago. No, gun control is not the answer.
Mike, Chicago is an example of the experiment that strict gun control can control violent crime. And over a long period of time, with laws becoming ever stricter until they couldn't pass constitutional muster, they have finally come out declared that the experiment proved that it has no effect and are now pursuing the hypothesis that controlling gang violence will have an effect on violent crime. They seem to be doing better with this one. If you wish to continue to suggest that there is some correlation, we can look at this list. Shall we count how many of these countries have very strict gun laws, like say, Mexico where guns are very tightly regulated. Five out of the 50 listed cities are in the US. Nine out of the fifty are in Mexico.
Why do you and Greg both fail to mention Brazil? They had the most cities listed.
Chicago gun control has worked up to a point. They are not the violent and bloody city you gun-rights fanatics keep saying they are. The reason they're not even safer due to the gun control laws is the proximity to Indiana and Ohio.
Mexico is another story altogether. Their laws are meaningless given the corruption and lack of enforcement and mass disobedience.
Brazil has gun control on the order of California or Massachusetts. Of course, just like Mexico, gun control fails in Brazil. And given the number of guns in America and our long borders, it would fail here as well.
"Why do you and Greg both fail to mention Brazil? They had the most cities listed."
I didn't mention Brazil specifically because except for the US, all of these countries seem to share similar philosophies regarding gun laws. That being the government will tell you what you can get and what you can do with it. Lets take a peek at Brazil. As you said, it seems to have the largest number of cities that rank in the top 50.
"Because of gun politics in Brazil, all firearms are required to be registered with the state; the minimum age for ownership is 25[1] and although it is legal to carry a gun outside a residence, extremely severe restrictions were made by the federal government since 2002 making it virtually impossible to obtain a carry permit."
"Interestingly, it is its own source of black market firearms too. Brazil has the second largest arms industry in the Western Hemisphere. Approximately 80 percent of the weapons manufactured in Brazil are exported, mostly to neighboring countries; many of these weapons are then smuggled back into Brazil. Some firearms in Brazil come from police and military arsenals, having either been "stolen or sold by corrupt soldiers and officers."
They even had a mandatory referendum to potentially ban guns and ammunition. Even though it was backed by the government, the Catholic church and the UN, it didn't go so well.
"The belief of a fundamental natural human right to self-defense, low efficacy of police, high levels of use of illegal weapons in crimes in contrast to a very rare usage of legal weapons, and advocacy by Non Governmental Organizations (N.G.O.) such as the NRA are some of the factors that may have influenced 65% of Brazilian people to decide against the ban." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil
How many, did you say, were committed with guns?
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Notice how many of those are in Mexico, a nation with strict gun control? How about the several cities in South Africa and Venezuela? Same story there about gun control. In U.S. territory, cities in Puerto Rico, Maryland, and California make the list. Also areas with onerous gun control.
ReplyDeleteAre you getting it yet?
No, I'm not getting it, Greg. Gun control in Mexico is meaningless and you know it.
DeleteDid you get it yet about Chicago?
You've called it "meaningless" here too.
DeleteAre you claiming that the murder rate in Chicago isn't all that bad? Even if it doesn't make the top fifty, there are still many murders taking place there.
DeleteThat's rich. You claim all the time needless gun deaths don't matter because the number of deaths are so small. I guess 33,000 gun shot deaths a year, is small. What a hypocrite.
DeleteYeah, Greg, that is a good one coming from you who called us "histrionic" because we think too many kids are getting hurt with guns.
DeleteMy point all along has been that your proposals aren't solutions to the problem of gun deaths. Yes, there are too many, especially in Chicago. No, gun control is not the answer.
DeleteYou are lying when you say gun control won't work, when American history proves it has.
DeleteMike,
ReplyDeleteChicago is an example of the experiment that strict gun control can control violent crime. And over a long period of time, with laws becoming ever stricter until they couldn't pass constitutional muster, they have finally come out declared that the experiment proved that it has no effect and are now pursuing the hypothesis that controlling gang violence will have an effect on violent crime. They seem to be doing better with this one.
If you wish to continue to suggest that there is some correlation, we can look at this list. Shall we count how many of these countries have very strict gun laws, like say, Mexico where guns are very tightly regulated.
Five out of the 50 listed cities are in the US. Nine out of the fifty are in Mexico.
Why do you and Greg both fail to mention Brazil? They had the most cities listed.
DeleteChicago gun control has worked up to a point. They are not the violent and bloody city you gun-rights fanatics keep saying they are. The reason they're not even safer due to the gun control laws is the proximity to Indiana and Ohio.
Mexico is another story altogether. Their laws are meaningless given the corruption and lack of enforcement and mass disobedience.
Ok, let's talk about Brazil (I don't know why you'd want to).
DeleteBrazil has gun control on the order of California or Massachusetts. Of course, just like Mexico, gun control fails in Brazil. And given the number of guns in America and our long borders, it would fail here as well.
Delete"Why do you and Greg both fail to mention Brazil? They had the most cities listed."
DeleteI didn't mention Brazil specifically because except for the US, all of these countries seem to share similar philosophies regarding gun laws. That being the government will tell you what you can get and what you can do with it.
Lets take a peek at Brazil. As you said, it seems to have the largest number of cities that rank in the top 50.
"Because of gun politics in Brazil, all firearms are required to be registered with the state; the minimum age for ownership is 25[1] and although it is legal to carry a gun outside a residence, extremely severe restrictions were made by the federal government since 2002 making it virtually impossible to obtain a carry permit."
"Interestingly, it is its own source of black market firearms too.
Brazil has the second largest arms industry in the Western Hemisphere. Approximately 80 percent of the weapons manufactured in Brazil are exported, mostly to neighboring countries; many of these weapons are then smuggled back into Brazil. Some firearms in Brazil come from police and military arsenals, having either been "stolen or sold by corrupt soldiers and officers."
They even had a mandatory referendum to potentially ban guns and ammunition. Even though it was backed by the government, the Catholic church and the UN, it didn't go so well.
"The belief of a fundamental natural human right to self-defense, low efficacy of police, high levels of use of illegal weapons in crimes in contrast to a very rare usage of legal weapons, and advocacy by Non Governmental Organizations (N.G.O.) such as the NRA are some of the factors that may have influenced 65% of Brazilian people to decide against the ban."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Brazil