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Thank you, @ChipotleTweets for your #GunSense! http://t.co/S1nmxXdn6y #MomsDemand pic.twitter.com/qPvsdGgihD That was quick! #winning— Rebecca (@Rebecca_221B) May 20, 2014
Thank you, @ChipotleTweets for your #GunSense! http://t.co/S1nmxXdn6y #MomsDemand pic.twitter.com/qPvsdGgihD That was quick! #winning
Chipotle responded with a statement, asking customers not to open carry weapons because it causes "anxiety and discomfort" for customers.Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/05/19/Chipotle-bans-firearms-in-restaurants/1181400552952/#ixzz32ELTscEz I have to admit, I've been in one of these stores once and that was about three years ago. It will be interesting to see how far they are willing to go. Will they actually legally post? Or will they just ask and hope?
If they ask, why would you refuse to comply? Go somewhere else if you don't like their stated policy. You are playing games with legality and being just plain rude to the owners and customers. Why would you force yourself on a place that clearly doesn't want you? They are willing to lose business over their convictions, that's proof enough they are sincere. Yes, they are hoping you are a considerate and civil human being.
"They are willing to lose business over their convictions, that's proof enough they are sincere."Again, try reading my post thoroughly Anon. I haven't been there in at least three years. And to be honest, that one time wasn't my choice. If they are sincere about their convictions, then they should have no qualms about following Minnesota law and properly post.
Why would simply asking the open carry guys to stay away indicate a lack of sincerity? Isn't that what Starbucks did? Why is that an indication of insincerity?
Try not being petulant. You clearly think if they don't post they don't have a right to expect people not to bring their guns just because they asked.
First perhaps we should get straight your definition of "open carry guys". Are you referring to if you'll pardon the term dicks who walk around with long arms and frequent businesses to make a political statement? Or do we also include those who legally carry according to the law and just going about their daily lives? For example, many states issue carry permits that don't have any requirement to conceal, Minnesota is an example of that. I carry concealed by personal preference, though I'm not required to. The training I received to get my permit covered where carry isn't allowed and laws regarding how businesses can post to ban carry on their property. In my years of carrying, I've only missed one sign and inadvertently carried there. Businesses as a rule just want to quietly make money by providing a service. In some ways they react like parents. When children play nicely, there's no problem. When there is conflict, most parents start out with a warning. Hopefully this quiets things down. If it doesn't, then parents get more direct by handing out punishments and new rules. Businesses don't like scenes. It interferes with making money. Starbucks went for years with the simple policy of conforming to local law. When people decided to make a political statement and the MOMs confronted them, they basically said calm down and play nice. They didn't really change their policy. And that's pretty much what Chipotle has done too. Starbucks hasn't posted here, which shows they haven't gotten to the point of making any hard rules. I'm sure that the MOMs or Everytown or whatever they're calling themselves this week are a bit unhappy because they love showing off pictures of places that have posted due to their efforts. And they haven't gotten that from either of these venues so far.
So why do you insist on being part of the childish side that won't listen?
You didn't answer my question about insincerity.
Actually they're being insincere to the MOMs, by making the request in the media spotlight and then not following through by actually posting according to local law. And the MOMs don't seem to care, or maybe they do, but actually mentioning it suggests that they aren't being taken seriously. In fairness, according to this article, Chipotle might actually be following through on their earlier statement. "On May 20 Breitbart News reported Chipotle is in the process of formulating a gun-free policy to turn its stores into gun free zones. The good news is that for every Chipotle-type restaurant that looks for ways to turn gun owners out there are many others that welcome gun owners with open arms."http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/21/Restaurants-Who-Welcome-Gun-Owners-Far-Outnumber-Chipotle Starbucks on the other hand hasn't posted, that I've seen locally. Though I'm seeing that two stores seem to be enforcing a ban. (yes, there's an app for that) That would be two out of nearly 13,000 stores in the US.
Their being insincere to the Moms is a bit of a stretch. Both cases were big wins for our side. We've already argued this at great length. My position is that anything other than a statement in support of the second amendment rights of the customers is a big win for gun control. You guys naturally begrudge this and even try to twist it into some kind of insincere gesture or even a win for your side. Nonsense.
still going to eat there still going to carry there. no longer interested in following a company's request when it puts me in danger. If they want me to leave they can ask me to and i will leave as required by trespass law in Nevada. And then next time i have a hankering for a burrito i will return to chipotle and this cycle will continue until such time as I no longer like burritos likely to happen when climate change takes my life or such time as chipotle chooses to respect all of its customers and end this sillyness
What danger are they putting you in? Thanks for clearly stating you are an inconsiderate, uncivil human being.
Agreed. What an idiot.
Mike and Anon i have exactly the same opinions of you both.Thank you for pushing me even further away from your side of this issue.
You have the same opinion as us but we've pushed you even further away? Does that make sense to you?
Read it again Mike it says OF you both not as you both..so yes it make sense to me
Please explain to us the difference and what the fuck you're talking about.
If someone is carrying concealed how does Chipotle know to ask them to leave?
I think they're main problem was with the open carry guys. But, as was said above, why would you not agree with their wishes? I thought you guys were reasonable and cooperative - at least that's what you keep saying.
"I thought you guys were reasonable and cooperative - at least that's what you keep saying." Isn't it reasonable to expect them to post in accordance with local laws?
Not necessarily. Who are you to expect anything of them at all? Aren't they free to do what that want. They've made a statement, now the ball's in your court. What are you gonna do, disobey, demand a posted sign? Or would you comply like a gentleman and reasonable person should?