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College students respond to laws that would allow guns on campus. Spoiler alert: They don’t like it. At all. (via Brave New Films)Posted by Upworthy on Wednesday, September 2, 2015
College students respond to laws that would allow guns on campus. Spoiler alert: They don’t like it. At all. (via Brave New Films)
Except for it being against school rules, permit holders can legally carry on state college property in Minnesota. Been that way for over ten years. Haven't heard of any issues. One question I would have is why are we still clinging so tightly to the stereotype of the irresponsible college student who whiles away their time at school staying constantly drunk? Perhaps since most college students are adults we should start to expect adult behavior from them just as we expect from their same aged non-student counterparts. Keep in mind that those who make a decision to carry a firearm for self defense take it quite seriously and tend not to be the hard partying type when armed. Permit holders are much more law abiding than the general public.
You just got done describing how irresponsible students are, and I guess you think all of a sudden they will find personal responsibility as soon as they have a gun in their hand. And again, you want to compare every State to Minnesota, a dishonest comparison to the rest of the States.
Well Anon, those who make a decision to carry a firearm for self defense tend to act much more maturely. Not sure if you've noticed it, but every time a state has enacted a shall issue permit system, the opponents have predicted the old wild west shootouts for a parking spot at the mall happening all over. It happened here over ten years ago when Minnesota passed its permit system and as usual, the predictions didn't come to be. Guess what, people who aren't students go out and get drunk and stupid, and when they mess up they have to answer for their actions. And as I've said before, in that strange land of everywhere but college, permit holders act more responsibly than the others. Why would you expect it to work differently?
So it's OK for anyone (not just a student) to get drunk while carrying a gun. Great. I don't expect it to work differently. As anyone can read there are incidents everyday caused by permit holders. You want to lie about that, go ahead, you lie all the time anyways.
"So it's OK for anyone (not just a student) to get drunk while carrying a gun." As usual Anon, never said that. In fact,(know you're going to love hearing this again) Minnesota included in its carry permit law the ability to prosecute for carrying while intoxicated, in addition to the issuing sheriff revoking or suspending the permit administratively.
"those who make a decision to carry a firearm for self defense take it quite seriously"You keep throwing out these blanket statements as if they applied to ALL permit holders. They don't.
You keep throwing out these blanket statements as if they applied to ALL permit holders. They don't.Mikeb, you are really not in a position to criticize anyone's use of blanket statements.
Mike, in the past, I've supplied hard data from several reliable sources proving that. Would you like me to repost the links? When working with any large group of people, you aren't going to get 100% compliance for anything. One has but to look at the Mayors Against Illegal Guns to show that. Do you have any data showing a state's carry permit holders as a group has ended up being more unlawful than the general public? I'd be interested in seeing it.
Your continuous comparison to Minnesota only shows how weak your arguments are. So goes Minnesota, so goes the nation - NOT - but thanks for proving (by using Minnesota all the time) that you are wrong. Don't know if you have noticed, but all these stories of gun misuse prove gun owners are irresponsible and cause death and harm. You lose dishonest, kill crazy, gun loon.
No they dont Mike. It only applies to 99.6 percent of them.
"Your continuous comparison to Minnesota only shows how weak your arguments are. " Actually Anon, I also have used Texas too, which also records the misbehavior of their permit holders,http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htmAnd here's Michigan,http://michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-77621--,00.html I imagine there's more out there. I use Minnesota a lot because I live here and am familiar with gun issues here. Its also a very politically liberal state where the voters have chosen to support a very progressive gun rights agenda and also strangely enough has a pretty low crime rate. And the fact that it ticks you off a bit is a bit of a bonus.
The fact that it ALWAYS makes you look wrong, stupid, and dishonest, is my bonus.
"Do you have any data showing a state's carry permit holders as a group has ended up being more unlawful than the general public? "That's the trick, isn't it? Comparing yourselves to the general public when by the very nature of your activity you MUST be better. The fact that any of you guys misbehave is proof of the problem.
The fact that any of you guys misbehave is proof of the problem.So the standard you would impose is a zero percent rate of misconduct? Can you name any group for which that is remotely realistic?
Mike, you cant even get a bunch of Mayors who advocate for gun control to all behave, though I imagine its a bit unfair to expect politicians to be as law abiding as permit holders,http://www.stopillegalmayors.com/ What it comes down to is that you'll never get perfection when you do anything involving people.
Check out the Raul Rodriguez post I just put up. He's more typical of permit holders than you are. And that's a problem.
Check out the Raul Rodriguez post I just put up. He's more typical of permit holders than you are.Wow--you don't make any effort at all anymore to hide the blatant nature of your filthy lies, do you? You're even more pathetically desperate than I'd realized.
So there should be millions of Raul Rodriguez cases then. Post a couple million more and we'll talk.
Kurt, It's an opinion that Raul Rodriguez is a better example of permit holders than you guys are. That can't be a lie.TS, The fact that millions of gun owners are just like poor Raul does not translate into millions of incidents.
Kurt, It's an opinion that Raul Rodriguez is a better example of permit holders than you guys are. That can't be a lie.You're right--it is indeed an opinion (albeit one of monumental idiocy), and therefore not a lie. My mistake. The hilarious part, though, is you of all people, using the "an opinion can't be a lie" defense, after referring to my expressed opinions as "lies" with such monotonous regularity.You have no appreciation of irony, do you?
TS, The fact that millions of gun owners are just like . . . Now wait just a damned minute. In the previous paragraph, you referred to your nitwit assertion that Rodriguez is a prime example of permit holders as an opinion, and therefore immune to accusations of being a lie (an immunity you apparently apply only to yourself). Now, it's suddenly a "fact"? . . . does not translate into millions of incidents.Bullshit. Rodriguez is defined by his alleged crime, a crime that probably places him next to perhaps around one percent of one percent of one percent of carry permit holders--or fewer. If millions of permit holders were murderous powder kegs of barely controlled rage and paranoia, just waiting to blow, as he allegedly did, there would indeed be millions of similar cases. Since there is clearly nothing remotely like that going on, your opinion/"fact" is clearly yet another of your delusional fantasies.
Kurt, I really don't think I call your opinions lies. What I am guilty of is reading your mind and accusing you of lying with no proof other than my conviction that you are inveterate in the lying department.Poor Raul, in my opinion, is not defined by his crime. He's defined by his attitudes and ignorance, which are happily shared with millions of you gun nuts.
What I am guilty of is reading your mind and accusing you of lying with no proof other than my conviction that you are inveterate in the lying department.Um . . . no. You're guilty of bizarrely misreading my mind, and ignoring the fact that the only thing you know about my thought process is what I tell your dumb ass, and then libeling me as a "liar" without the tiniest shred of evidence.[Mr. Rodriguez] Poor Raul, in my opinion, is not defined by his [alleged] crime.Of course he is. If not for this incident, you would never have heard of him, and could keep telling yourself that this sort of thing is limited to fat, white males.In fact, maybe you're lying about this being your opinion, and you actually aren't quite idiotic enough to believe that Rodriguez is even remotely representative of carry permit holders.See? Two can play at that game. It's a stupid, pointless game, of course, but that puts it right in your wheelhouse, I suppose.