"The founding fathers didn't believe in gun control..."

Really?

• And they believed that bleeding would cure disease
• And they would tell you that you were crazy that something heavier than air could fly long distances, let alone travel to another planet.

Is that your argument against gun control that people from a time long past may not have believed in gun control?

Actually, I would guess that the founding fathers wouldn't have a problem with criminals, traitors, and the insane not being allowed to own guns, which means they would support gun control.

Whoops, another "pro-gun" argument turns out to be baseless.

From The Address and Reasons of Dissent of the Minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania to their Constituents: December 12, 1787:

7. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers.

Of all the actual primary source literature I've read, this is the most "gun friendly". But even with being "gun friendly" the no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals says to me that they would have no problem with gun control.

More importantly, the real issue for them is the last part of this:

as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers.

If you read the actual document, that this the main concern at the time and what the Second Amendment relates to: not private guns.

The reality is that the Second Amendment relates to:

as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up: and that the military shall be kept under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil powers.

And Article I, section 8, clause 16 of the US Constitution.

Anyone with a shred of knowledge of the US constitution knows this is the case, with the exceptions of five people on the Supreme Court.

We can debate on WHY those five fail to realise this.

Bill Maher on the Tea Partiers misconception of the founding fathers.

OK, Bill Maher isn't a super scholar, but he does have it right here.   The founders were not "American Idiots".  In fact, from what I know about them, they would find someone like Sarah Plain to be an embarrassment.

"Ask a Slave"

In the "People in the US are historically ignorant and found of their founding myths department",  I bring you "Ask a Slave":

Actress and comedian Azie Mira Dungey used to work as a historical re-enactor at Mount Vernon. Since George Washington's old stomping grounds are staffed with people acting out roles they might have had during the George Washington days. Since  Dungey is black, she played the role of a slave named Lizzy Mae. Now, she's made her experiences fielding actual stupid questions from actual stupid tourists into a video series that not only invites laughter, it encourages people to think a little harder about how we lionize the Founding Fathers as paragons of morality and look at the past.

Dungey reflects back on that time period.

I ask you to remember the racial tension that was all around. We had people saying that the President would be planting watermelons on the White House lawn. Emails were forwarded proclaiming that this was the beginning of a race war and the end of the country as we know it. People bought guns. (A lot of guns.) A scientist reported the evolutionary explanation as to why black women were the least attractive of all the races. The Oprah Show ended. It was mass chaos.

And in the midst of all this, I was playing a slave. Everyday, I was literally playing a slave. I mean, I was getting paid well for it, don’t get me wrong, and we all need a day job. But all the same, I was having all these experiences, and emotions. Talking to 100s of people a day about what it was like to be black in 18th Century America. And then returning to the 21st Century and reflecting on what had and had not changed.