I ask you, isn't it true that most gun owners are men? And isn't it true that most domestic violence happens man to woman and not vice versa? And isn't it true that there is a lot of domestic violence? Is it not just common sense then, that guns are bad news for women? There have been reports and surveys, you can follow the above link, but simple common sense should settle it.A Poulsbo man was arrested after his fiancé said that he pointed a loaded semi-automatic pistol at her the previous week.
The woman called police just after midnight Sunday, alleging that her 25-year-old fiancé pinned her against a wall, according to Kitsap County sheriff’s reports. He had left the house. She alleged that on Sept. 9, he had pointed a loaded pistol at her and said he was “going to murder someone tonight.”
The 9mm pistol had since been taken to a friend’s house, reports said.
In this story, in which thank goodness no one was killed, we have the typical scene, one which is repeated daily. Unlike stories of defensive gun uses, you don't have to go to blogs specially dedicated to that subject to find stories about domestic abuse with guns. They are everywhere.
Many of the perpetrators are formerly lawful gun owners. In some places they continue to possess their precious firearms after committing such offenses, so lax are the laws.
What's your opinion? Is it right for a domestic offender to lose his right to own guns? How exactly should that law be carried out? Do deputies come to the home to search for weapons? Does the criminal turn them in to the police voluntarily? Do you think these laws are poorly designed and fail to accomplish what they purport to?
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"Guns are bad news for women."
ReplyDeleteActually, women are far safer from guns than men are. In fact, there is not a single category of women (age group, race, state) that has a higher rate of "violence" (including homicide, assault, suicide, accidents) than the corresponding male group. In most all cases, the male group is orders of magnitude higher. Only rape (or sexual assault) is more prevalent, but then again, the perp having a gun during a rape is a rare occurrence. What is common among all of these occurrences is violent men. Violent men are bad news for women, regardless of what weapon they have. Maybe we should put more restrictions on violent men? You know, have them registered and licensed. Maybe make some papers that say they can't get near women, etc. That would work!
I ask you, isn't it true that most gun owners are men? And isn't it true that most domestic violence happens man to woman and not vice versa? And isn't it true that there is a lot of domestic violence? Is it not just common sense then, that guns are bad news for women?
I ask you right back, isn't it true that God is love? And isn't it true that love is blind? And isn't it true that Stevie Wonder is blind? Is it not just common sense then, that Stevie Wonder is God?
The law is only what society is willing to enforce. If we have a law that says domestic abusers can't have firearms, but then make no effort to take those firearms from them, what good is the law? Sure, after he goes and shoots his ex-wife we can tack on another charge. In this case, the law is worthless. Just as the restraining order was.
Mikeb, the reason most of us can't take you seriously is because you can't reconcile obvious logical discrepancies.
I ask you right back, isn't it true that God is love? And isn't it true that love is blind? And isn't it true that Stevie Wonder is blind? Is it not just common sense then, that Stevie Wonder is God?
ReplyDeleteJeez, Reputo--you could warn a guy, you know. I just shot iced tea out my nose reading that.
More men have guns...true.
ReplyDeleteMore women are victims...true.
Solution:
Take guns away from everyone, so men can use their usually superior strength in safety
OR
Make women more nearly equal to men by encouraging them to be armed.
Virtually every gun forum discussing concealed carry has numerous men trying to encourage their wife or girlfriend to shoot more, and carry. People who do not support violence towards women are not afraid of making them physically equal to us.
If I beat my wife, I risk being shot. That is the way it should be.
Reputo, It was very funny what you said about Stevie Wonder, but like all the comparisons you guys make, it falls short.
ReplyDeleteAre you denying what I said about men and women and guns? I know you don't like my title for it, but the rationale makes some sense, does it not?
Are you denying what I said about men and women and guns? I know you don't like my title for it, but the rationale makes some sense, does it not?
ReplyDeleteI am saying your logic is faulty. You are trying to link completely unrelated statements to come to your conclusion. If your statement was "Guns in the hands of violent men are bad news for women", I would agree with you. But the same statement, "knifes in the hands of violent men are bad news for women" is also true. So why not just simplify it and say that "Violent men are bad news for women." Oh that is right, then you would have to actually deal with people, which isn't as easy as inanimate object.
. . . but like all the comparisons you guys make, it falls short.
ReplyDelete"All the comparisons" we make, Mikeb? A big fan of the sweeping generalization, aren't you?
Which guys, by the way, are "you guys"? The pro-rights crowd here is united in terms of gun rights advocacy, but I would wager that in other areas, we cover a fairly wide spectrum of views.
Sevesteen said, "If I beat my wife, I risk being shot. That is the way it should be."
ReplyDeleteI can't believe you said that. No offense, but to me that sounds completely crazy.
The way it should be is both you and your wife have no need for guns at all and you treat her with love and respect because she deserves it. Wouldn't that be the best.
Give me a break, Mikeb. Sevesteen never said that it's fear of being shot that stops him from beating his wife--just that even if he were the kind of worthless SOB who was tempted to do so, he would have a very strong reason to resist that urge.
ReplyDeleteGood fences, and all that.
The way it should be is both you and your wife have no need for guns at all and you treat her with love and respect because she deserves it. Wouldn't that be the best.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct, if we cannot deal with each other with love and respect, we should not be together.
Likewise, if either one of us cannot trust the other one with a loaded gun the problem isn't the gun, it is with the relationship.
It is not that she has or needs a gun to keep me from beating her, it is that I don't care if she has a gun, because I do not abuse women.
Someone who does abuse women is likely to want to keep guns away from them.
Sevesteen, Thanks for the calm and reasonable response. I was afraid I'd gotten too personal in what I said, thanks for not taking offense.
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