The problem with this is twofold: The pro-gun crowd pretends all the concealed carry guys are responsible, which they're not. And they pretend all the bars are classy eating establishments where families go, which they're not.
"The pro-gun crowd pretends all the concealed carry guys are responsible, which they're not."
Actually the majority of us are responsible, however for those that would disobey the law and drink while carrying if that is what you would fear, could break the law and do that now.
"And they pretend all the bars are classy eating establishments where families go, which they're not."
But the laws in question only allow carry in eating establishments. Bars that derive 51% of their sales from alcohol are still prohibited.
Nope, Mike is 100% correct, that's why in the vast majority of America where conceal carry is "Shall Issue" and no restrictions are made on carrying in places that serve alcohol, drunken shootouts occur nightly.
Hell in Northern New England just about every place I know keeps a large bucket of sawdust behind the bar to make sweeping up pools of blood easier after last call.
Hell in my days as a bartender in Portland Maine, I used to keep 5-6 tampons in my back pocket as they worked really well for plugging bullet holes and keeping a patron from bleeding out before the EMTs arrived.
FatWhiteMan is just being dishonest saying that this isn't true!
hmm, I can carry in "bars" (which really means places that serve alcohol)
I can also legally have a drink while carrying.
Amazingly there's not a mass of drunken shootings by CCW holders in Delaware and PA, and I haven't gone crazy just because I happened to be armed while walking into a place that serves booze
When I wrote the 10% post, I really thought I'd downplayed the numbers so much that most of you guys would agree with it. I was quite surprised at the animosity it's always generated, and pleased I might add.
I think the real number of "people who should not own guns in the first place," based on those links I provided in the post, is more like 20% or 30%.
What's come to me more recently is, the majority of gun owners are probably the kind who have a gun or two but never use them, never practice, never even clean the weapons. Can these guys be called "responsible?"
Keep an eye out for a post about this. It's beginning to percolate in the old brain.
Mike W., That's just not true. I provided links to bonafide polls and surveys. I applied their results to the gun-owning population, using conservative percentages. The results were what I wrote.
"The pro-gun crowd pretends all the concealed carry guys are responsible, which they're not."
ReplyDeleteActually the majority of us are responsible, however for those that would disobey the law and drink while carrying if that is what you would fear, could break the law and do that now.
"And they pretend all the bars are classy eating establishments where families go, which they're not."
But the laws in question only allow carry in eating establishments. Bars that derive 51% of their sales from alcohol are still prohibited.
Nope, Mike is 100% correct, that's why in the vast majority of America where conceal carry is "Shall Issue" and no restrictions are made on carrying in places that serve alcohol, drunken shootouts occur nightly.
ReplyDeleteHell in Northern New England just about every place I know keeps a large bucket of sawdust behind the bar to make sweeping up pools of blood easier after last call.
Hell in my days as a bartender in Portland Maine, I used to keep 5-6 tampons in my back pocket as they worked really well for plugging bullet holes and keeping a patron from bleeding out before the EMTs arrived.
FatWhiteMan is just being dishonest saying that this isn't true!
hmm, I can carry in "bars" (which really means places that serve alcohol)
ReplyDeleteI can also legally have a drink while carrying.
Amazingly there's not a mass of drunken shootings by CCW holders in Delaware and PA, and I haven't gone crazy just because I happened to be armed while walking into a place that serves booze
FWM got me to thinking with this one.
ReplyDelete"Actually the majority of us are responsible"
When I wrote the 10% post, I really thought I'd downplayed the numbers so much that most of you guys would agree with it. I was quite surprised at the animosity it's always generated, and pleased I might add.
I think the real number of "people who should not own guns in the first place," based on those links I provided in the post, is more like 20% or 30%.
What's come to me more recently is, the majority of gun owners are probably the kind who have a gun or two but never use them, never practice, never even clean the weapons. Can these guys be called "responsible?"
Keep an eye out for a post about this. It's beginning to percolate in the old brain.
basic math and common sense render your 10% theory totally bunk MikeB.
ReplyDeleteWhen you look at the numbers it becomes clear that your theory is based on nothing but conjecture.
Mike W., That's just not true. I provided links to bonafide polls and surveys. I applied their results to the gun-owning population, using conservative percentages. The results were what I wrote.
ReplyDeleteThat's not "nothing but conjecture."
"polls and surveys"
ReplyDeletePolls and surveys are not facts MikeB.
Though I wouldn't expect you to recognize facts, given your extreme aversion to them.