Saturday, June 19, 2010

NRA Compared to the KKK?

Kurt sets us straight on this one.

I have had, and will undoubtedly continue to have, a great many disagreements with the NRA. That does not mean I will stand for them being compared to a group that epitomizes the worst of our nation's history. The KKK would love to deny the human right to keep and bear arms, to those whom they would like to terrorize. Gun rights advocacy groups, including the NRA, intend to thwart that sick goal.

It almost sounds like Kurt is claiming the Ku Klux Klan is primarily about preventing people from getting guns, sort of the antithesis of the noble NRA. Now, I can certainly understand someone being obsessed with guns, just look at my blog, but I do believe the KKK has a broader agenda than that.

About the tenuous connection between Ms. Kagan and the comparison between the NRA and the KKK, I wonder if Joe Huffman had a chance to pick up on that.

In handwriting that is almost certainly Kagan's (compare the document in question with a known sample of her writing), concern is expressed that a bill under debate at the time would benefit "bad guy orgs"--the NRA and the KKK.

Joe has other ideas, to which I had this to say.

Joe, I know you can back it up in your prolix way, and have actually done so already, but I feel your comparing Helmke to the Grand Wizard of the KKK is one of the stupidest things you've ever written. Of course I haven't seen all you've had to say, so I might be wrong about that.

I really can't decide which is crazier, comparing the NRA to the KKK or comparing Helmke to the Grand Wizard. You pick.


  1. My intention was never to imply that the KKK ever had the primary goal of disarming blacks, but they certainly benefited from black disarmament, and they knew it. Those Reconstruction era Mississippi and Louisiana laws I mentioned are prime examples of early American "gun control," and had the specific purpose of maintaining dominance over blacks.

  2. You'll have a easier time connecting the KKK to law enforcement than the NRA.

  3. More silliness from the neurologically impaired Hoffmmann.

    It's well-documented that icons of the NRA are and have been racists (e.g., Jeff Cooper, Ted Nugent, Harlon Carter, et al.) We also know the NRA has "blacklisted" groups such as the NAACP and Urban League but not the KKK.

    The whole 'racist roots of gun control' meme is foolish. Both from a historical POV and a practical one. Does anyone seriously believe that if blacks had unfettered access to guns during Jim Crow--they would have ended segregation?


  4. The Grand Wizard of the KKK and Paul Helmke do have somthing in common: They both don't want me to own "military-style assault weapons like Uzis and AK-47s, and .50-caliber sniper rifles..."

  5. Funny you mention ending segregation from a historical and piratical POV. I had just linked to a instance where armed blacks did just that.

    You probably didn't see it, so here it is again:

  6. I saw it. Thanks for that Deacons of Justice history lesson. That's slightly more relevant as Kurt's citing civil war era situations, which of course are only slightly more relevant than the 2nd Amendment you guys like so much.

    We're talking about the bloodbath in our major cities in the 21st centuries while the NRA lobbyists are doing their thing. That doesn't have much at all to do with the 1960s or the 1860s and certainly nothing to do with the idea of "militia" in the 1790s.

  7. Aye, Mike, I knew you were aware of it as your comment publication policy requires such.

    My second post was directed at JadeGold, since he posted a comment doubting the potential a gun could play in the civil rights movement right after my post where their use was pivotal.

    Ironically, I repeated the post since JadeGold probably didn't see it, due to the same comment publication policy.

  8. That's slightly more relevant as Kurt's citing civil war era situations, which of course are only slightly more relevant than the 2nd Amendment you guys like so much.

    Ah--how silly of me to forget the forcible citizen disarmament lobbyist's favorite gambit--dismissing any bit of history that discredits forcible citizen disarmament (just about all history, in other words) as irrelevant.