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Back in March, separate police reports revealed that authorities discovered NRA certificates among the Lanzas' possessions. In a sharply worded statement then, the NRA said that neither were members.
"There is no record of a member relationship between Newtown killer Adam Lanza, nor between Nancy Lanza, A. Lanza or N. Lanza with the National Rifle Association. Reporting to the contrary is reckless, false and defamatory," the statement said. According to the NRA's website, the association does not give out formal certificates for membership.
That's not a membership certificate, it's a course certificate. You can take a course without being a NRA member,
ReplyDeleteMore denial.
ReplyDeleteGreg is correct,This no more shows membership in the NRA than does having a certificate showing you passed a class in CPR or first aid makes you a member of the Red Cross.
ReplyDeleteWas that Greg who said that? Of course you're right. Nancy and Adam were probably members of the Brady Campaign. Who would ever think they were NRA members?
DeleteSo Greg is also one of these anons? That explains a lot.
DeleteGreg said he doesn't pay attention to what Wayne and Ted say (leaders of the NRA) but is a paying member of the NRA. Interesting contradiction on his part.
No, the comment at the top of the page isn't mine, though it is correct. When I comment, I use my own name.
DeleteReally site liar; show your convictions. If you pay no attention to Wayne and Ted because you think they are nuts, then cancel your Nra membership.
DeleteSS replied saying it was you. It seemed reasonable that he knew what he was talking about, my mistake, I forgot none of you gun loons know what you are talking about.
DeleteSorry about that Steve. Multiple neural misfires on my part.
DeleteAs usual, we see here that gun control freaks are enraged lunatics who think everyone is like them. No wonder they support gun control.
DeleteAgain no reply except insults.
DeleteThanks for proving again what a lying criminal coward you are.
Go pick on another woman and call her names, that's what you are best at.
Anonymous, it's so cute watching you shout about insults. Are you capable of making a comment without being insulting?
DeleteAny apology to Sally, ass hole?
DeleteNot a chance
Delete"You can take a course without being a member" -- maybe, but then again the NRA has a history of overinflating its membership numbers:
ReplyDelete"At this point, we are inclined to conclude that the NRA is overestimating the size of its membership when it claims more than 4.5 million members. Based on the available information, it does not appear credible for the number of members to have increased by 500,000 people in just six months. It actually appears possible that the membership rolls are below 4 million.
"Indeed, in his congressional testimony, LaPierre referred to 4.5 million “active” members. Bloomberg News last year obtained a “sponsorship prospectus” for possible sponsors of the NRA’s annual meeting that, in a section on “preshow e-mail blasts,” referred to 2 million members as the “most active and interested.” "
http://tinyurl.com/ah8r4j6
Liars, that's what they are.
DeleteThe reality is that people like Nancy Lanza, a conservative, a prepper, a gun nut/enthusiast, is too much like the rest of their core constituency, too much like Ted Nugent and the rest.
DeleteAnd it shames them --- as it should, they are a shameful group --- to be shown up as who they really are.
So they lie. It is what the right does, when reality doesn't match their fantasy (which is all the time).
Post the Brady Bunch's membership. They're struggling along with fewer than 30,000 members, though they get support from a few billionaires.
DeleteWhat the hell's that got to do with it, Greg? We're talking about the NRA. When we talk about gun laws, you bring us cars. When we talk about the NRA membership, you bring up the Brady numbers.
DeleteWhy don't you give us one of your famous percentages, NRA membership, as inflated as it is, divided by all the gun owners in the country.
Mikeb, Her Haughtiness was sneering about NRA membership numbers. I just gave a reminder of how things stand.
DeleteNo you didn't. You made an incongruous comparison to the Brady numbers. Southern Beale made a good comment about how things stand in the lying NRA camp.
DeleteAnd "haughtiness?" That's a good one. I'm surprised you didn't call her a troll.
She is, to a large degree. She makes snide comments without bothering to stick around for the discussion.
DeleteThe site liar just described himself.
Delete"makes snide comments without bothering to stick around for the discussion"
Look at how many times he refuses to respond after his snide comments.
What a hypocrite.
Anonymous, fair enough and good point. But then, that only makes it worse doesn't it? You can belong to the NRA without getting training; you can get training without belonging to the NRA. Which is worse, I wonder? Having someone belong to your club who exercised such poor judgment, or having someone who took your club's training course exercise such poor judgment? Taking the training implies a stronger intersection with the group. Seems to me this seriously calls into question the quality of NRA training and demands a closer look at the curriculum and instructors. Especially since NRA training is supposed to be the gold standard for concealed carry laws across the country. Time to start finding out if something's going on behind closed doors that we don't know about. It's easy for the NRA to deny someone's membership, especially since the rolls are private and we just have to take their word for it. It would be much more interesting to see if they will comment on the fact that they do seemed to have TRAINED her and how that will affect future training programs.
ReplyDeleteVery good point, I wish I'd thought of that earlier. I would have entitled the post differently.
Delete"Having someone belong to your club who exercised such poor judgment, or having someone who took your club's training course exercise such poor judgment?"
DeleteWill, are you suggesting that whatever entity conducts a training course bears responsibility for those that don't follow the training?
Though I've never taken any NRA courses, if you look at the description of the curriculum, you'll see safe storage mentioned. Nancy Lanza even had a pretty good sized gun safe, which is shown in crime scene photos of the home.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/adam-lanza-house-pictures_n_4344643.html
Obviously, at some point, Adam got hold of the rifle he used to murder his mother before moving on to the school. As far as I know, he wasn't a prohibited person, so if he had been able to wait the required two weeks he could have gotten his own firearms.
Adam Lanza was an adult who as Mike would put it took out his murderous impulses on those he thought had wronged him apparently for what appears to be jealousy.
Nonsense. I've taught English composition and literature for fifteen years. My students get good instruction in those subjects, but being students, some of them don't take away from the class everything that I offer them. You're also neglecting the fact that students can pay complete attention and still disagree with what they're taught. I've had a number of students over the years who insist that the Earth is 6,000 years old, despite my pronouncements to the contrary. I can't force them to change their views, nor would I. I teach what I regard as correct and informed and leave what they do with that teaching to them.
DeleteThe guy was obviously deranged, maybe a few weeks might have changed his plans.
DeleteCertainly a few weeks would make a difference in shootings of passion, that happen at the moment.
Did he have to break into the gun safe to get at those guns?
Deletess, no one is blaming the NRA for Nancy's failure to keep the guns away from her deranged son, but the NRA training she did sure didn't help any.
DeleteMike,
DeleteIt didn't take in Adam's case either.
Anon, in the photo I saw, there didn't seem to be any signs of forced entry. Keep in mind that any safe storage laws wouldn't apply here on the legal side of things. Safe storage laws are generally those with the intent of keeping firearms away from children. Adam was a full up adult.
If it was locked there would be signs of break in. It's hard to break into a gun safe, and not leave marks. Again, she knew he had problems. I blame her for not getting those guns out of the house. And I would call that negligence.
DeleteGun safes are to keep both children and adults (anyone) away from ones guns.
"Gun safes are to keep both children and adults (anyone) away from ones guns."
DeleteI think you should read some of the safe storage laws in effect. The one in Minnesota provides for keeping firearms that are accessible to children.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.666
Nancy Lanza should have recognized the behavior of her son as that of someone who doesn't make good decisions and because of this should have restricted his access to her firearms. She paid for this negligence with her life.
"A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who negligently stores or leaves a loaded firearm in a location where the person knows, or reasonably should know, that a child is likely to gain access, unless reasonable action is taken to secure the firearm against access by the child."
Sorry i don't except your stand that gun safes are only to keep children away from guns. That's a nonsense NRA talking point.
DeleteSince so many guns are stolen each year, gun safes are not only for the kiddies.
DeleteIn practical terms, it's a good idea to lock up guns. They're expensive. But the thief bears the sole moral responsibility for stealing.
DeleteNice to see Greg finally admit gun safes are a good measure. Now if we could only get him to admit they are more than an option, especially if children are in the house.
DeleteGreg, for the twentieth fucking time, no one is arguing that the "thief bears the sole moral responsibility for stealing." What we're saying is that the gun owner has the responsibility to lock up his guns. They're two different things.
DeleteI've taught English composition and literature for fifteen years.
DeleteNonsense.
And for that many times and more, I reject your assertion that a gun owner categorically has the requirement to lock up guns. That's a typically simplistic demand. As I've said, when children are around, it's a good idea to take measures that someone without children doesn't need to take, and keeping things secure has practical value, but I'm not going to demand that every owner do exactly the same thing.
DeleteOf course not, you are just going to watch more people die and say, to bad.
Delete"I reject your assertion that a gun owner categorically has the requirement to lock up guns."
DeleteThat's why I blame you for the unnecessary deaths that happen every day as a result of YOUR SIMPLISTIC position.