Showing posts with label 4 rules. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 4 rules. Show all posts

Monday, May 27, 2013

Negligent Ohio Gun Owner Shoots Himself in the Foot - No Charges

 Local news reports

A man is recovering after accidentally shooting himself in the foot.

According to deputies, Dan Gray was preparing to target shoot with several friends when the .357 revolver went off while he was pointing it at his right foot.

No charges will be filed at this time since it's believed to be a self-inflicted, unintentional discharge. Alcohol was not involved.

Violating two or three of the 4 Rules of Gun Safety should always result in charges and the loss of gun rights. With the same incredible irresponsibility, he could have killed someone.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Lawful Gunowner Mistakes Girlfriend for Intruder - Kills Her - No Charges

Local news reports


It's a terrible tragedy that he lost his girlfriend like this, but he should also lose his freedom and his gun rights forever.

The last time I checked, you were in violation of the 4 Rules of Gun Safety if you shoot into the darkness at a silhouette.

What's your opinion?  Please laeve a comment.

Sunday, September 9, 2012

Message from Frail Liberty on the 4 Rules

Copied in its entirety from an e-mail I received from our frequent commenter Frail Liberty:

You continue to try to make a case that there should be zero tolerance for gun-owners who negligently discharge their weapon.  You cited Jeff Coopers Gun safety rules in one post presumably as evidence to support your zero tolerance policy.  You refuse to even consider analogies of other irresponsible behavior that results in many times more injury and death and whether or not other zero tolerance rules would be appropriate.

So, I thought perhaps a brief primer on the 4 gun rules may be in order to help put thing into perspective.  This is not an effort to excuse any negligent discharge.  It is, however, intended to show that not all ND's are equal and to highlight just one reason why your dream of instant stripping of all gun-rights for any infraction is just a silly, nonsensical wet-dream fantasy.

The four rules are (the most common version):
  1. All guns are always loaded.
  2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
  4. Identify your target, and what is behind it.

The first three rules deal with safe gun handling until the point in which you are ready to fire.  The fourth rule deals with collateral damage when firing - it really does not come into play for safe gun handling when not intending to fire.  So for the purposes of this discussion, we will cover the first three rules.

The thing about these rules is that they are not universally absolute. Now that I threw that bomb our there for you - I anticipate you, or one of your cronies, will take it out of context. So please, let me explain.

For the purposes of general gun handling (i.e. nearly all the time) they are 100 percent absolute.  But, there are times in which the rules must be modified in letter but not violated in spirit.  Several examples include:

All guns are always loaded: Well, this is true - except that every-time a gun is disassembled for cleaning, this rule must be modified to become "All guns are always loaded - until proven otherwise". (Actually, this modification is written as the rule in some places.)  We check and double check our guns to ensure they are not loaded so that they can be disassembled and cleaned. But, the other rules are strictly obeyed even while modifying this one.

Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy: You know those cool shoulder holsters that you see detectives use on TV? Did you know that the muzzle of their loaded gun is nearly horizontal and thus constantly pointed directly at people everywhere they go? Is this a violation of the four rules? By the letter, yes.  But they are not handling it at the time.  The trigger is covered as thus it is impossible for anything, including fingers, to be in the trigger guard. So in spirit it is not considered a violation. But extra care has to be used when drawing the weapon as it is impossible not to sweep the area during the draw.

Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target: If only this rule were religiously followed, the number of ND's would shrink to a mere fraction of current levels. And yet, this is one of the rules that frequently must be modified in the course of normal gun care and training.  After cleaning, the re-assembly of some guns require the trigger to be pulled to reset the hammer or striker mechanism.   Also, repeated dry-firing (or using a snap cap) is an excellent tool used by competition shooters and others wanting to become familiar with particular trigger feel on a gun. So, after verifying (many of us do this twice) that a gun is unloaded and while obeying the other rules, we will repeatedly cycle the trigger mechanism.

But none of these instances violate the spirit of the rules, and in fact are necessary activity specific modifications of the rules.

So, why do I highlight all of this? The point is that in order to have an ND inflict injury to anyone - all three of the rules must be simultaneously broken. I would never excuse any violation of the rules - but the reason that all three are important is that we are, in fact, human beings.  Mistakes WILL happen.  Just like they do when we humans drive 4,000 pound vehicles on the road. We miss stop signs and red lights and turn in front of oncoming traffic and veer on the roads and follow to close behind another mistake prone human driver. Human error is a part of the human experience. The three rules are designed, not only to prevent ND's when properly followed, but to minimize damage when a mistake causes one (or even two) of them to be violated.

If 1 and 2 are broken no shot is fired because no finger is on the trigger.
If 2 and 3 are broken (assuming the rule 1 modification is accepted and the gun is verified unloaded) no shot is fired because there is no ammunition.
If 1 and 3 are broken a shot might be fired (an ND to be sure), but no one is harmed because the gun was pointed in a safe direction.

In fact, while nearly all ND's could be prevented by being strict about rule 3 - rule 2 is, in my opinion, is the more critical rule. If it were followed religiously - no one would ever be hurt by an ND. And yet it is the one that, when violated by itself, never results in a call to police and therefore no opportunity to apply your draconian dream. So you would be unable to consistently punish the most flagrant violators.

Let me close by highlighting a way in which silly gun-control laws and regulations force diligent gun owners to actually break the rules - on a daily basis. I work at university and am, by law and university policy, prohibited from carrying my gun into the buildings in which I work. So, every day, I must disarm when I arrive at work and rearm as I depart. In order to make it difficult for my gun to be stolen from car while at work, I lock it in a Nanovault gun vault secured by cable to the underside of the passenger seat. So while parked, I un-holster the weapon and lay it horizontally in the case, close the lid, lock it, and slide it under the seat.

During this procedure, I treat the weapon as if it were loaded, because it is - and I keep my finger WAY off of the trigger. But, I cannot keep it pointed in a completely safe direction. It has to be horizontal to go into the vault. The best I can do is keep it pointed in "as safe a direction as possible". Depending upon where I am parked and who is around, sometimes (most of the time) that is toward my engine block while other times it is toward the passenger door where it would strike other parked cars.

And all of this must be done because I cross an arbitrary boundary to perform my role at work. I go to off campus events armed with the same students that I cannot be armed around while working with them. And thus, at least 10 times a week, I am forced to bend the critical rules of gun safety in order to stay in compliance with the law.  Will I have an ND because of this? No. But do these laws mitigate any real risk on campus? No - they just force me to engage in slightly riskier behavior for no real benefit.

After a couple of overtures by e-mail, I'm still not sure what his point it. When I asked if it was that his gun-free zone at work was a bad thing, he just repeated the paragraph beginning with "So, why do I highlight all of this?"

It seems to me that, as he rightly points out, it takes the violation of 3 of the 4 Rules simultaneously to have a serious accident, my "zero tolerance" policy makes even more sense.

Now, the words "zero tolerance" are loaded with negative connotations. The fact is I'm very tolerant.  Often I feel that a jail sentence for an act of gun negligence, even when someone dies, is excessive.  I do however feel that the loss of gun rights has to be strictly upheld.

What's your opinion?  What do you think Frail Liberty is getting at with that lengthy message?

Please leave a comment.

Saturday, September 1, 2012

Accidental Shooting by National Guardsman at the Republican National Convention - No Charges

via The Huffington Post

Authorities say a member of a Florida National Guard unit assisting at the Republican National Convention has been accidentally shot while examining his personal revolver in a hotel room with another guard member.

The Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said 21-year-old Michael Wdowiak was showing his handgun to Jeffrey A. Spurr when it discharged a single round while in Spurr's possession. The sheriff's statement said Wdowiak was hit in the upper body and left hand and required surgery. There was no immediate report on his condition.

The sheriff's statement said alcohol did not appear to be a factor and there were no charges. It added at least three others in the room were not hurt. Wdowiak and Spurr are with a guard contingent from Ocala staying at the hotel, it said.
This is a perfect example of the way it works. If you shoot someone "by accident" you can generally expect no consequences at all, as long as you don't lie about it or try to cover it up.

Even if you're a trained professional who should know the basic rules of gun safety, there are usually no charges, since it was only an accident.

This is wrong.  Anytime a gun is negligently handled the responsible person should be held accountable.

What's your opinion?  Please leave a comment.

Saturday, August 18, 2012

West Virginia 7-year-old Seriously Injured with Pellet Gun

WSAZ NewsChannel 3

I have two things to say about this:

1. Air-soft guns, BB guns, pellet guns and all the rest need to be treated like real guns.  Parental supervision, safe storage and adherence to the 4 Rules of Gun Safety are all a must.

2. Ban them sumbitches.

Saturday, March 20, 2010

"Accidental" shooting at the Range

Mercury News reports on another "accidental" shooting. I realize this doesn't prove guns are bad news for women or that female shooters should be laughed at, but it is a funny scene. It reminds me of the way Breda handles a gun. Here's another example.

A 22-year-old Fremont woman accidentally shot herself at an indoor shooting range in town last week, Milpitas Police Department reported.

On March 10 at about 7:43 p.m., Milpitas police responded to Target Masters shooting range at 122 Minnis Circle on a report of a person being shot. Upon investigation, officers determined the woman was shooting a gun for the first time, when an ejected bullet casing landed in her shirt, police said.

The first-time shooter attempted to remove the hot casing from her clothing while holding the gun and it accidentally discharged. Police said the woman was shot in the leg and transported to a local hospital for treatment and she is expected to survive. There were no other reported injuries.

"It was purely accidental from our investigation," Milpitas police Sgt. Huy Tran said.

This is the second time in about two months that someone has accidentally shot themselves at Target Masters.

On Jan. 31, a 48-year-old San Jose woman was the victim of an apparent accidental shooting at the indoor range.

A preliminary investigation revealed the woman may have mishandled a firearm, causing it to accidentally discharge. The woman was shot in the torso and transported to a local hospital for treatment. The victim survived and there were no other reported injuries in that case, police said.

Target Masters staff would not comment about either of the incidents.

Of course we have the usual downplaying of the shooter's responsibility. The report said while she was playing hot potato with the ejected shell, the gun "accidentally discharged." Why do people keep saying the media is biased AGAINST guns. This is the kind of reporting I usually see.

Naturally, Target Masters doesn't want to comment on the TWO recent incidents of this nature. Any attention placed on them might make people wonder how frequent are these "accidents" and how safe are these shooting ranges.

I wonder if all the guys like Mike W., who became defensive about my comments to Breda will also support this Target Masters shooter? Let's see.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

Sunday, January 17, 2010

Washington Man Cleared of Gun Charges

Seattlepi.com reports on the Longview man who was cleared of gun charges.

LONGVIEW, Wash. -- A Longview man who pulled a gun on bouncers at a local bar has been found not guilty of second-degree assault.

A jury determined that 29-year-old Brian Adam Barnd-Spjut acted in self-defense on the night of March 28.

A security video showed bouncers from Kesler's Bar and Grill hauling the man down the bar's hallway toward a back alley. When thrust into an alley, he spun around and pointed the gun at three bouncers and the bar manager.

Barnd-Spjut, who has a concealed weapons permit, says he displayed the gun because he feared the bouncers would beat him up.

I don't know about anybody else, but I've never seen bouncers take someone out to the back alley by force unless that person was doing some serious acting out in the bar. So, is it safe to assume there was some altercation inside the place before Brian Adam Barnd-Spjut had to protect himself with the gun? Would that have anything to do with this, do you think?

Is this case an example of why the law permitting concealed carry in bars is good? What if he'd shot and killed one of the bouncers? Would that have been justified? Is fear of a beating a good enough reason to kill someone? Is fear of a beating a good enough reason to draw the gun? I didn't think the 4 Rules contained one about preventing a beating or keeping the bouncers at bay. I mean, how far are we going to stretch the "lethal threat" excuse?

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

Sunday, January 3, 2010

Utah Man Kills Friend

The Salt Lake Tribune reports on another tragic accidental shooting.

A 23-year-old man was killed early New Year's Day after a bullet discharged from a gun that a friend was handling and struck him in the head.

Responding officers booked Ian Lewis, also 23, into the Salt Lake City jail for negligent homicide. According to police, Lewis had picked up a gun and was handling it when it went off and struck Steven McKinney.

Both men are from the Salt Lake City area, said Salt Lake City Sgt. Robin Snyder. She added the incident is a reminder to always treat guns as if they are loaded.

RuffRidr recently told me that every gun owner he knows "wouldn't put up with this" and that responsible gun owners are taught the 4 Rules when they're kids. I guess the people who are making the news every day weren't that lucky.

What's your opinion? Does it sometimes seem that the percentage of irresponsible gun owners who were not raised with the 4 Rules is a bit too high? Do you think that's just a distorted impression based on the reports that make it to the main stream media?

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.

Guns kill people when they're in the hands of people like Ian Lewis.